CARLOS SANTANA AND BUDDY MILES - HAWAII 1972

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CARLOS SANTANA AND BUDDY MILES
Hawaii 1972 [no label, 2CD]

Live at the Sunshine ‘72 Festival, Waikiki Diamond Head Crater, Oahu, Hawaii; January 1, 1972. Good to very good audience recording.

This may come as a surprise to some but the Carlos Santana & Buddy Miles! Live! (1972) album could have been recorded in the studio.

Rolling Stone (Issue 101, February 3, 1972) reported:

As for Santana, there were plans for a “Live in Diamond Head Crater” Santana-Miles LP - a 16-track machine and a Columbia Records crew were flown in - but technical problems, including mysterious power cuts, spoiled all but maybe 15 minutes of tape, according to a technician.

Over at Dime, SIRMick posted this note:

On New Year’s Day of 1972, Carlos Santana & Buddy Miles gave a concert at the Diamond Head Crater in Oahu Hawaii and later that year Columbia released a live album. But in yet another classic late ’60s/early ’70s live album deception, this album is recorded entirely in the studio.

This time the argument is heavily one-sided with lots of proof including a rare bootleg, as well as testimonies. First off, the other guitar player Neil Schon has stated in an interview that it’s recorded in the studio because several of the musicians were tripping on LSD and the recordings were not acceptable to Columbia, so Santana and Miles were forced to replicate the show in the studio with fake or canned applause.

Several crew members have backed up the story with one saying that because of the heat there were several power outages to the recording truck during the show and the other saying that FM radios used for security kept bleeding into the soundtrack, creating an editing nightmare.

Lastly, if you listen to the bootleg below, it’s quite clear especially on “Marbles” that it’s nowhere near the same performance, and some songs on the Columbia album aren’t even on the bootleg, basically making this “case closed.”

For those who wondered what the real story is, here is an audience recording of the show.

Thanks to Daniel Brewer who shared the tracks at The Traders’ Den. Daniel also noted: “Many thanks to HermanLR for sharing this show with me.”

Also on Dime, HermanLR posted this comment:

I got a mail from one of the biggest Santana experts in the USA. This is what he mailed:

yes the santana miles 72 lp was re-recorded in the studio because there was several power failures during the concert i saw this in rolling stone magazine back in 72 if you have the show on tape you can hear the power going off

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Disc 1
Track 101. Band Intro/Gumbo (8.07) (11.1MB)
Track 102. Layla (6.34) (9.0MB)
Track 103. Little Wing (5.37) (7.7MB)
Track 104. unknown (10.12) (14.0MB)
Track 105. unknown (9.31) (13.0MB)
Track 106. Simple Song (4.24) (6.0MB)
Track 107. unknown (3.23) (4.6MB)
(47.43)

Disc 2:
Track 201. unknown (4.47) (6.5MB)
Track 202. unknown (4.02) (5.5MB)
Track 203. Marbles (7.08) (9.8MB)
Track 204. unknown (6.04) (8.3MB)
Track 205. Evil Ways (7.49) (10.7MB)
Track 206. Faith Interlude (2.14) (3.0MB)
Track 207. Them Changes (7.25) (10.1MB)
(39.27)

Lineup:
Carlos Santana: guitar, vocals
Buddy Miles: drums, percussion, congas, vocals
Neal Schon: guitar
Ron Johnson: bass
Bob Hogins: organ, electric piano
Hadley Caliman: flute, Saxophone
Luis Gasca: trumpet
Greg Errico: drums
Richard Clark: drums, percussion, congas
Coke Escovedo: drums, percussion, timbales
Mike Carabello: percussion, congas.
Mingo Lewis: percussion
Victor Pantoja: percussion, congas

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  1. 23 Responses to “CARLOS SANTANA AND BUDDY MILES - HAWAII 1972”

  2. freeformfunkafiedfilth! thanks big o

    By Billy Jack on Jun 7, 2012

  3. It’s Robots theme music:
    Jazz + Funk = Junk.

    By 4yrsnojob on Jun 7, 2012

  4. Of all the odd pairings of musicians over the years I have often thought the Carlos/Buddy pair very odd. Anyone have any background on how the union came about?

    By sluggo on Jun 7, 2012

  5. Thank you, this will make good fishing music for chasing crappie at Aunt Margaret’s pond in Thompson. Dark rum and ginger beer will be provided. :) Be well Big O Amigos, as always. James

    By James on Jun 7, 2012

  6. Carlos very much admired and Hendrix and Buddy had played with Hendrix. Might have been enough. The John McLaughlin/Buddy Miles connection could have been a factor, too.

    By drkrick on Jun 8, 2012

  7. even if u dont like wikipedia the facts are still the facts regardless where u find them –
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Miles
    the fact that bill graham was involved with jimi while buddy was involved with jimi and also involved with santana to a huge extent would seem kinda obvious how the musicians involved would sooner or later collaborate –
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_santana

    while the paragraph concerning this event we have here and the concert could use some updating with regards to the facts that evidently not everyone knows theres a wealth of info to be learned. enjoy what u can absorb.

    By darth on Jun 8, 2012

  8. I interrupt this program.
    Bob Welch killed himself.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/08/entertainment-us-bobwelch-fleetwoodmac-idUSBRE8561E720120608

    And those keeping score, Doc Watson died May 29th age 89.

    I now return you to your scheduled program.

    By sking on Jun 8, 2012

  9. Thanks for another, bigO!

    By NAMoosedog on Jun 8, 2012

  10. the fact that bill graham was involved with jimi while buddy was involved with jimi and also involved with santana to a huge extent would seem kinda obvious how the musicians involved would sooner or later collaborate –

    that makes no sense at all.

    By sluggo on Jun 10, 2012

  11. OK, so they wanted to record a live album, had problems and went to the studio instead, recorded it there and overdubbed a crowd. But why continue with the deception that it was a live album? Why not just release it as a studio album, minus crowd?

    By Chris Maddock on Jun 13, 2012

  12. I love that version of Marbles that they actually released. I hope this one is as enjoyable as that version was.

    Thanks for all you do Big O! - S.

    By Slot Sleet on Jun 14, 2012

  13. I was a sophmore at FHS that year and took video communications with a FHS teacher John James. Three of us video recorded that crater session on a multitrack. Max on stage with video camera, Leo in the tower with video camera and me giving commands in the van on the video and audio mixing machine. Mr. James was in his glory outside with his buddies & babes. That evening at Mr. James house in Manoa, Santana and his buddies came to view the video. Got to meet him so that made the bust okole day work worth it. James gave them the video. Less than 10 years later I saw parts of it on MTV. Sent a letter to MTV but no response. Mr. James was a cool teacher. Here he’s gone now. Aloha.

    By GoRick on Oct 17, 2012

  14. Interesting that the festival in Dimond Head featuring Santana and Miles was actually done on January 1, 1971. The album cover shows 1972. I was there in 1971…

    By Perry on Aug 30, 2013

  15. did yall check out the journey performance from the other nite?
    Journey - Pearl Theater, Palms Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, NV 8-28-13 with Carlos Santana & Gregg Rolie guesting 5′35
    i am not sure of the title of the song but its on youtube.

    By darth on Aug 31, 2013

  16. why , journey is almost as lame as joan jett.

    By mange merde on Aug 31, 2013

  17. its an instrumental. theyre an incredible band as long as there are no vocals either by perry or a perry soundalike. if u dont like that pop band type thing thats fine. but this performance that i mentioned isnt pop. its a great jam. heres a link to it -

    http://ultimateclassicrock.com/journey-joined-onstage-by-carlos-santana-and-gregg-rolie/

    By darth on Aug 31, 2013

  18. youre right darth! the karaoke mixes of journeys songs are freakin awesome, dude!

    By barth on Aug 31, 2013

  19. joan jett is going to be on the muppets jamming with animal who`s gonna tape it ???!!!

    By danny partridge on Aug 31, 2013

  20. I’ll wait and buy it from Amazon thanks.

    By blue moon on Aug 31, 2013

  21. Shut the fuck up, darth.

    By Constructive Criticism and Friendly Advice on Aug 31, 2013

  22. nope!

    By darth on Aug 31, 2013

  23. the most amount of footage from the jam that happened the other nite seems to be at this link here -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDgjh0uvERE

    see.. now if i shut the fuck up.. yall might not know about this. course u might find it but then u might not have. but here it is. enjoy.

    By darth on Sep 3, 2013

  24. Herman, muchas gracias por entregarnos y poder disfrutar de la realidad de este excelente concierto, soy un seguidor de Santana, sobre todo de sus primeros años, hasta este concierto marca una etapa, después comienza otra etapa de Santana, en esta presentación hay mucha energía. al igual que Woodstock,Tanglewood,los Fillmore, etc, una ves mas desde Santiago de Chile GRACIAS!!!

    Gmp

    By Guillermo on Sep 6, 2013

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