THE KINKS - DETROIT 1979

February 2, 2013 – 4:58 am

JIM RODFORD R.I.P. 1941 - 2018

The Zombies bassist Jim Rodford has died on January 20, 2018, aged 76, just days after his final performance. The musician, whose career spanned six decades and included 18 years with The Kinks, died on Saturday after a fall on the stairs, his cousin and the band’s frontman Rod Argent confirmed. Rodford had just returned home to England after completing a short tour in Florida with The Zombies with his final on-stage appearance coming on January 14. Argent paid tribute to his “dear cousin and lifelong friend”, writing on the band’s Facebook page: “It is with deep sadness that I learned this morning that my dear cousin and lifelong friend, Jim Rodford, died this morning after a fall on the stairs. Jim was not only a magnificent bass player, but also from the first inextricably bound to the story of The Zombies.”

Argent said Rodford was dedicated to music “to the end” and added he “was unfailingly committed to local music”. Rodford had been working on his autobiography at the time of his death and is survived by his wife of 56 years, Jean and three generations of Rodfords. The Kinks’ Dave Davies paid tribute on Twitter, writing: “I’m devastated Jim’s sudden loss I’m too broken up to put words together it’s such a shock. I always thought Jim would live forever in true rock and roll fashion - strange - great friend great musician great man - he was an integral part of The Kinks later years RIP.” - telegraph.co.uk

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THE KINKS
Detroit 1979 [no label, 1CD]

Live at the Cobo Arena, Detroit, MI; August 10, 1979. Very good soundboard.

Over the years, even as the show (during the Low Budget tour) had been shared in various versions, it has managed to garner a good following. Unfortunately, the opening track, Sleepwalker, is missing and the end to You Really Got Me is cut (tape flip?).

Thanks to lwilkers who shared the tracks in 2006.

These comments were posted at hearrockcity.blogspot:

This is a cool companion to The Kinks’ One For The Road [live album recorded between 1979 and 1980]… The Davies’ brothers are in top form here on this SBD recording! Usually, Ray is the star of the show, but, Dave kinda steals the spotlight from him on this one… but, really, they worked well together, even when they weren’t workin’ well together… Ray’s sort of soft singing style compliments and offsets Dave’s dirty and gritty guitar… Listen to Dave Davies’ guitar on this one - it’s awesome, and when he kicks it in - damn! Do yourself a favor and give this one a listen… and really tune in to Dave’s guitar tone and style, and you’re guaranteed to get a real earful of six string fun!

Artwork posted at hearrockcity.blogspot - Thanks!

Lineage:
SBD -> ? -> CD .wav -> .flac

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Track 01. Life on the Road (6.8MB)
Track 02. Life on the Road (jam) (3.8MB)
Track 03. Permanent Waves (7.8MB)
Track 04. Lola (intro) (3.9MB)
Track 05. Lola (6.5MB)
Track 06. Misfits (8.3MB)
Track 07. Low Budget (intro) (4.0MB)
Track 08. Low Budget (8.8MB)
Track 09. Superman (6.5MB)
Track 10. Superman (jam) (5.7MB)
Track 11. You Really Got Me (cut off) (6.1MB)
Track 12. Gallon of Gas (intro) (5.0MB)
Track 13. Gallon of Gas (3.8MB)
Track 14. Gallon of Gas (jam) (3.2MB)
Track 15. Celluloid Heroes (intro) (6.5MB)
Track 16. Celluloid Heroes (6.0MB)
Track 17. All Day and All of the Night (6.6MB)
Track 18. Crowd (2.8MB)
Track 19. Pressure (4.3MB)
Track 20. Twist and Shout (3.9MB)
Track 21. Crowd (2.2MB)
Track 22. Victoria (6.3MB)

Lineup:
Ray Davies - guitar, keyboards, vocals
Dave Davies - guitar, backing vocals
Ian Gibbons - keyboards, backing vocals
Nick Newall - saxophone
Jim Rodford - bass, backing vocals
Mick Avory - drums

 

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  1. 78 Responses to “THE KINKS - DETROIT 1979”

  2. The BEST Kinks I’ve ever heard! Approaching (gasp!) Clash level. So glad this is soundboard. Migrain inducing guitar rock! BTW, the end cut off of You Really Got Me is like a second or two missing.

    By 4yrsnojob on Feb 2, 2013

  3. Big O has KINKS BBC sessions outtakes and live tracks 1964_1994
    The Songs We Sang For Auntie [Meerkur, 3CD]
    Track 209 Sleepwalker is a very good sounding substitute for what’s missing. It just fits on the CD, about 78 min 58 sec. It comes from the Hippodrome Theatre concert July 14, 1974.

    By 4yrsnojob on Feb 2, 2013

  4. Thanks for this great addition to my ever growing Kinks collection! This show brings back vivid memories as I’m thinking of the only Kinks show I attented in 1978. Unfortunately Sleepwalker is missing here - it’s one of my favourites.

    By Tony on Feb 2, 2013

  5. Great concert but the tape has been sped up and you can really tell by the vocals.

    Ray has a deeper voice than that.

    Thanks for sharing.

    By Andrew Swift on Feb 3, 2013

  6. I love the Kinks, but they sound like a novelty act. Especially Lola…

    By George Martini on Feb 3, 2013

  7. this may be a sbd but it was brdcst. i remember sitting home recording it as it aired live. if as andrew says it seems fast to his ears this is likely due to the original recording being done on a tape deck that ran slow. the keystone cops syndrome. when the tape is played back on normal or correctly running equipment it will sound fast. often sound quality improves when this happens. sadly when fixing it deteriorates. if only the problem was the reverse. then we would actually be obtaining a better sounding recording if/when fixed.
    the reason track 11 cuts off is because thats where the original tape flip was - smack dab in the middle of the 90mins.

    By darth on Feb 3, 2013

  8. i remember sitting home recording it as it aired live

    get a life.

    By mike hunt on Feb 3, 2013

  9. know what you mean darth-similarly when batteries start to go bad on a portable whilst recording say, a simulcast only to sound different when played back with fresh ones.

    By justin case on Feb 3, 2013

  10. Mike I was there when Darth recorded this and I even remember what we had for dinner that night “KRAFT DINNER WITH CUT UP HOT DOGS” Darths favorite, you leave my boy alone!

    By Darths Mom on Feb 3, 2013

  11. oh fer chrissakes woman let the boy fail on his own

    By darths dad on Feb 3, 2013

  12. here is her highnesses secret recipe.
    hot dog heaven
    1 pkg kraft dinner
    6 hot dogs

    make kraft dinner as per instructions on box.
    take 6 hot dogs already cooked and cut them into bite sized pieces.
    place hot dogs into kraft dinner and stir.
    enjoy.
    darth`s mom

    By darths dad on Feb 3, 2013

  13. sounds fartlicious

    By Frank N. Beans on Feb 4, 2013

  14. oh darth and his mom could tell you plenty of tricks.
    He even knows where to get music without paying !

    By darths dad on Feb 4, 2013

  15. Honey that was our families secret recipe, Darth will be ever so upset!

    By Darth's MOM on Feb 4, 2013

  16. These guys were the first concert I photographed, Kansas City, 1979, Memorial Hall. Smuggled in a little Canon Rangefinder. It was the first time I heard “Lola,” a transcendent experience for a 19-year-old. Thank you Big O amigos and thank you Darth for the recording insight.

    By James on Feb 5, 2013

  17. thank you Darth for the recording insight.

    By darths brother james on Feb 5, 2013

  18. R.I.P., Reg Presley, 71, Troggs lead singer due to lung cancer.

    By 4yrsnojob on Feb 5, 2013

  19. Seems funny that the person that got upset about a certain person going off topic, now makes a whole post of stupidity that has nothing to do with what is being offered. Thanks BigO, love the Kinks.

    By Paul on Feb 5, 2013

  20. paul you seem funny too.

    By darths brother james on Feb 5, 2013

  21. Did not hear about Reg Presley. Thanks, 4yrs, for keeping me informed. Reg was not only a good singer for the Troggs, he had a great sense of humor. Rest in peace.

    By aking on Feb 5, 2013

  22. When you say “funny” do you mean funny HA HA or funny….y’know!

    By Darth's MOM on Feb 5, 2013

  23. Whaddaya mean funny? Funny how?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWINtUCshxY

    By Tommy on Feb 5, 2013

  24. Love you, bigo, but why are all the tracks split up like this? It’s not a “jam,” it’s the rest of the song. It makes for an infuriating listen.

    By Brian on Feb 5, 2013

  25. It makes for an infuriating listen.

    Brian , have you met my son ?

    By darths father on Feb 5, 2013

  26. Brian- Audacity software will allow you to put those jams back together. It’s free, just search for it. It allows you to do lots of cool stuff.

    By 4yrsnojob on Feb 5, 2013

  27. It allows you to do lots of cool stuff.

    without biting the hand that feeds ya

    By darths father on Feb 5, 2013

  28. Great songs from Dave Davies but let’s face it, this band was not first rate when it came to playing live. And some of their best records used top studio musicians. The audio here is just ok — the high end has a lot of distortion. I’d agree with the comment that suggested this came from a cassette tape. Thank goodness we aren’t all forced to use those anymore. The legit release has much better sound quality but the performances are about the same.

    By Jania on Feb 18, 2013

  29. Jania, I for one miss the old cassette days and I`ll tell you why, I used to make mix tapes for my friends for many different occasions and had a ball making them from my vinyl collection .
    I don`t get near the enjoyment from making a cd (which I hardly ever do anymore) and nobody wants them because anyhow , everyone seems to have playlists on their ipods , etc.. I myself would rather listen to something analog than digital. I have cds that I can barely tolerate to listen even though I loved the viyl version. Omar and the Howlers “Hard Times in the Land of Plenty” is one. It has so much high end on the cd it hurts my ears.

    By sluggo on Feb 18, 2013

  30. Sluggo, I went from cassettes to CDs for my mix tapes, and I enjoy the upgrade. It’s easier to put the songs in the order I want with iTunes, I like seeing the playlist on the monitor instead of writing it down. Changing the playlist is much easier than when I wrote down everything. I use the printable CDs with my Epson printer; it can be tedious to list the songs and drop in a photo with their software, but I’m pretty anal, so I don’t mind. Sometimes I’ll go all out and print a sleeve with a photo in Word. Most people copy the mix to their iTunes & iPods, but they appreciate my efforts.

    By Mark E. on Feb 18, 2013

  31. ray davies with mumford & sons will be on later with jools holland from oct 2010 on thurs nite on palladia channel for anyone who has this station. thats the station that shows this program now. of course there are other artists as well. but they should be doing at least 3 songs. this should be incredible.

    and while im at it.. immediately after that.. booker t jones (as in booker t and the mgs) will be on live from daryls house immediately after. this is only a half hour show tho. normally its a full hour program. this one is from february 2012.

    lastly while im at it.. and only cuz i am in the mood.. haha.. vh1classics has a very interesting show for fans of music and collecting and such. tonite at 10pm eastern. its 30mins long. its called for what its worth. its on again at 11pm and 3pm friday and again 630pm friday. then 130am sat. ok u can figure this out.

    By darth on Feb 21, 2013

  32. sat morning cartoons till noon.Yippee!

    By darthstvguide on Feb 21, 2013

  33. this afternoon`s listings
    mayberry , mayberry rfd, son of mayberry.
    mayberry gets the blues, and the real wives of mayberry .
    I know I won`t be stepping out of the house again all day, so much good television, who needs people.

    By darthstvguide on Feb 21, 2013

  34. wow that was great 5 hours of mayberry at its finest , watm jello and day old microwave popcorn. this evening will be even better starting at 7 the golden girls, the golden girls get lucky, the golden girls go abroad, the golden girls at the hospital , and by midnight the golden girls do denver.
    i love tv.
    a public service only because i am in the mood.

    By darthstvguide on Feb 21, 2013

  35. well that`s just rotten. the golden girls episodes have been cancelled to bring us reruns of the 1978 labor day weekend Jerry Lewis Telethon, dammit ,i have this on tape I know how much he raised!

    By darthstvguide on Feb 22, 2013

  36. just getting ready to tape the test pattern.I have them all taped and saved for the last thirty three years except the one night I missed when I was doing roadie work for helen reddy.

    By darthstvguide on Feb 22, 2013

  37. i mentioned 3 musical related tv programs that all take place at nite from 10 to 1130pm on a thurs nite. not hours that most people would be normally running around the streets in 10-15 degrees. plus my area is expecting a serious storm. it has nothing to do with cartoons or goofy programming like u are mentioning. i dont know what u are doing or why. 90mins isnt an all day thing. they dont rerun telethons. esp from 78. whats wrong with u? why dont u have anything better to do?

    By darth on Feb 22, 2013

  38. i mentioned 3 musical related tv programs that all take place at nite from 10 to 1130pm on a thurs nite. not hours that most people would be normally running around the streets in 10-15 degrees.

    ever occur to you that this is a world wide blog and oddly enough it isn`t yours alone.

    By darthstvguide on Feb 22, 2013

  39. in other words ,[because I know you won`t understand] what is going on in your little corner of the world isn`t what is going on anywhere else. You talk and post as if you are the center of the universe. It`s your narcissistic attitude that makes the rest of the world think us Americans are all obnoxious like you.

    By darthstvguide on Feb 22, 2013

  40. zactleeeee….

    By dr poo pah doo on Feb 23, 2013

  41. i have no idea what u are talking about and i am thinking neither do u. no one is saying that it is mine alone. i post things that are of interest to other music fans so that they can either tune in and or record or download them. u dont have to be interested in the things i post. if u arent.. dont read them. its not all about u. u arent the only one here that matters. u are assuming that your opinion reflects everyones. it doesnt. i collect music. i enjoy watching it on tv. many good worthwhile performances happen on tv. i keep track of them. i dl and record many of them online. i often offer these to others. i dont care if u like what i do. i dont do it for u. i do it for me and others who appreciate it. u dont have to be one of them. it doesnt matter to me if u are or not. im not narcissistic. nothing about my postings suggests that im obnoxious however your postings prove that u are. if u really are worried what others think u should consider this before u post not after.
    the programs i talk about are not only on in my corner of the world. while they may be exclusive to the usa there are 310million people here and its the 3rd most populated country on earth. its very likely that the vast majority of the readers of this site are in the usa. u are entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong it is. i give u that. feel free to continue having it while the rest of us laugh at u and shake our heads from side to side when u repeatedly express it. but please.. try to understand why. ok?

    By darth on Feb 23, 2013

  42. “u are entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong it is.”

    that seems to be your raison d’etre, mon cher.

    By barth on Feb 23, 2013

  43. ONLY JUST THE OTHER DAY OUR RESIDENT WIKIPEDIA EXPERT HIMMSELF TRIED TO TELL US THAT THE FIRST BOOTLEG WAS A DYLAN LP AND THE SECOND A ROLLING STONES LP.
    APPARENTLY THE RESIDENT GENIUS HAS NEVER HEARD OF LIONEL MAPLESON, THE FIRST BOOTLEGGER OF RECORDED SOUND IN HISTORY.MR. MAPLESON WAS FAMOUS /INFAMOUS FOR RECORDING OPERA AND SOLO OPERA SINGERS AT THE TURN OF THE CENTURY…CIRCA 1900`S. ALL OF US TODAY WHO ENJOY ROIO`S SHOULD PROUDLY KNOW AND RECOGNIZE OUR FEARLESS LEADER, MR.LIONEL MAPLESON.

    By DROPKICK SARGE on Feb 23, 2013

  44. DARTH DO YOU EVER HAVE TO GET THE LETTER “I” REPLACED ON YOUR KEYBOARD ?

    By DROPKICK SARGE on Feb 23, 2013

  45. again u werent paying attention to what i typed. i specifically said the first rock related bootlegs were dylan’s great white wonder. the 2nd was a stones boot. in fact the most successful boot and widely distributed one at one time was the live r than youll ever be from 69. very famous boot. i wish instead of trying to prove me wrong u spent more time actually looking at what i said and paying attention to what i said. i didnt get the info that i gave u here from wikipedia. its just stuff i am passing on from my many years of being in the hobby and business. u sure really need to find a hobby or job or something. what u spend your time doing isnt worthwhile. u would be better off putting your energies into learning rather than trying to prove someone like me wrong. im glad u learned to look things up but its important also to look at what u are correcting before u correct it. the lp was what i was referring to. sure there were 78 boots before lps. the lp didnt come out til 1947. interestingly 100 yrs after the postage stamp. the 45 started in 1949. rca put out 5 of them at once. one in each genre. 78s continued til the early 60s. but i was talking about the lp bootleg. there were jazz ones in the 50s (and probably in 47 thru 49 as well) for years before 1969’s dylan boot came out. but the first rock boot was as i said. nothing i said was incorrect. u can easily look this up. its not secret info. the history of bootlegs isnt hard to find out. try the hot wacks site or something. i dont know if they still have it but back in the late 80s and early 90s they did. i havent looked at it since 95.

    and of all idiots to ask me that ridiculous question.. do u ever have to get the cap key on your keyboard replaced?
    incidentally the e is the most used letter of the alphabet.

    incidentally again.. not that this matters.. but.. u mention mapleson.. i was talking about dylan and the stones. u dont think that dylan and the stones produced their own bootlegs (or recorded them for production) do u? referring to mapleson in an effort to correct me on what i said doesnt really make a lot of sense since what he did doesnt really relate to the subject. he isnt a musician like dylan or the stones. and.. dylan and the stones didnt record and or issue their own bootlegs. i think u totally lost track of the entire subject here. i realized this when i looked back up at the drivel u posted. i wouldnt have noticed this if i didnt come back here to post the following…..

    By darth on Feb 23, 2013

  46. as i mentioned.. i missed the single song that ray and the mumfords did on jools holland the other nite so i had to catch the repeat. it was on tonite at 6pm. i had hoped theyd do more than one song. well they did a medley of 2 songs but thats all. i looked all over youtube and evidently its not permitted for usa people to view this clip. i found it on another site and recorded it since downloading isnt as easy as it is from youtube. the performance was done in the first week of october 2010. thus this is how my copy appears -
    ray davies & mumford & sons - days>this time tomorrow (later with jools holland bbc 10-10).wav

    and.. the booker t on daryls house show he only does 3 songs. green onions is the 2nd song. its superb. i saw the songs on youtube but not all together. they waste time cooking eating and talking during the show too. look for these songs. theyre worth it.

    eric burdon was on tavis smiley on valentines day but he only talked. he didnt perform. taj mahal is on next week altho he was listed for this week. ben harper and charlie musselwhite are scheduled for tonite. they better play something!! please!! i hope taj does. altho tavis’ show isnt really a performance type show i have seen some. u can go to tavis’ site and watch these shows.

    By darth on Feb 23, 2013

  47. oh lord here we go with the tv guide listings again.

    By darthstvguide on Feb 23, 2013

  48. …”sure there were 78 boots before lps..”

    SEE THERE YOU GO JUST GUESSING. I SAID TURN OF THE CENTURY EINSTEIN , THAT MEANS 2 MINUTE WAX CYLINDERS NOT 78 RPM RECORDS. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF BOOTLEGS AT ALL.
    …”i didnt get the info that i gave u here from wikipedia. its just stuff i am passing on from my many years of being in the hobby and business…”

    AGAIN, YOU MAKE UP MORE BS THAN ANYTHING ELSE. YOU ARE CONTINUALLY PROVED WRONG AND NEVER ADMIT IT. YOU SAID DYLAN AND THE STONES WERE THE FIRST BOOTLEGS APART FROM JAZZ. WELL GUESS WHAT BUCKO, WRONG, AND HISTORY PROVES THAT FACT. NEXT TIME YOU DECIDE TO PONIFICATE DO SOME FACT CHECKING. THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE WHO KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT THIS AREA OF MUSIC THAN YOU EVER KNEW POSSIBLE.

    By DROPKICK SARGE on Feb 23, 2013

  49. At least Darth posts stuff that is music related and not Mayberry RFD, and Golden Girls. You guys get on to him about going off topic, but who is really off topic here?

    By Barthsbitch on Feb 23, 2013

  50. dont flatter yourself bro ill let u know when youre my bitch. siding with our resident arsehole isnt helping.

    By barth on Feb 23, 2013

  51. “the lp didnt come out til 1947.”

    wrong again bucko according to your beloved wikipedia: “The LP (Long Play), or long-playing microgroove record, is a format for phonograph (gramophone) records, an analog sound storage medium. Introduced by Columbia Records in 1948, it was soon adopted as a new standard by the entire record industry.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LP_records

    By barth on Feb 23, 2013

  52. so you’re going to split hairs over one year? If it was Dec. 31, 1947 or Jan. 1, 1948 we are talking one day here.

    By Barthsbitch on Feb 23, 2013

  53. i do when a blathering blowhard tries to pass himself off as an expert. now get yourself outside and wash my car mybitch its filthy.

    By barth on Feb 23, 2013

  54. sarge my man and anyone else who wants to go out and experience live music i saw a great show by buddy miller & jim lauderdale last night. i highly recommend these guys to anyone who likes americana/country/roots/soul music great songwriting playing and humor. its an all star band- buddy is both robert plant and emmylou harris’ guitarist and producer, the drummer is in plants band, the stand up bass player is with dolly parton, and fats kaplan plays pedal steel and fiddle with jack white. tour dates r here: http://www.newwestrecords.com/buddyandjim

    By barth on Feb 23, 2013

  55. BARTH THOSE TWO ARE TREMENDOUS TALENTS.
    I SAW BUDDY MILLER WITH BAND OF JOY AND WAS MORE EXCITED BY HIS ARSENAL OF GUITAR WEAPONRY THAN I WAS BY ROBERT PLANT! LOL..
    MILLER SEEMS TO HAVE A DIFFERENT PAWN SHOP PRIZE FOR EVERY SONG, I LOVE IT..IT GIVES ME G.A.S. [GEAR ACQUISITION SYNDROME] JUST NAILED TICKETS LAST NIGHT FOR AN UPCOMING RAY WYLIE HUBBARD GIG..CAN`T WAIT FOR THAT ONE WITHER. THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP BARTH , TELL YOUR BITCH TO GO GET US SOME BEERS.

    By DROPKICK SARGE on Feb 23, 2013

  56. some of buddys guitboxes are italian and some are eastwoods. he only used three electrics last night. i could listen to him play a diddlybo!

    yo mybitch get us some belgians as soon as my cars dry!

    By barth on Feb 23, 2013

  57. I HAVE AN ITALIAN BUILT EKO FROM 1964 , CHEAP MADE BUT THEY USED GREAT PICKUPS AND YOU SHOULD HEAR THE THING HONK WITH A GLASS SLIDE!
    I LOVE PAWNSHOP PRIZES AND YARD SALE GEMS.

    By DROPKICK SARGE on Feb 23, 2013

  58. if u dont like the tv announcements of music performances that i make.. dont read them.

    wax cylinder bootlegs? are u kidding? or just stupid? do u just say ignorant things to see ignorance in print or to get reactions or what? i dont know if people are reading this and shaking their heads or saying wow i didnt know that. but i sure hope not the latter.

    actually i know everything about the history of bootlegs. saying that i have been proven wrong doesnt mean i have. u havent proven me wrong on anything. u keep saying it but u havent actually done that. no u dont know more than anyone about anything. seriously. do u really think u do? u can do all the fact checking u want. thats the point. i lived thru this era. i dont even have to check these facts. u on the other hand do. u can look this stuff up and u will find that i right on all of it. i dont know where u are looking and reading or why u arent finding the facts as i am telling them to u. or maybe u are and u are just f’ing with me. who knows. who cares. point is.. i told the facts as they are. like it or not u dont have to accept them no more than those who dont wanna believe we went to the moon or the world is round. its your right. i cant sit here and convince u of things u wish to ignore. u can insist on keeping your head in the sand. the rest of the world knows the truth.

    as for the lp record. no.. it is 1947. not 1948. thats a fact. like it or not. i know u looked it up on wikipedia which is funny cuz when u use it its ok but if i do u attack me for it. however.. u arent considering that the record was introduced to the public in 48. what im trying to explain here is that u should have understood me rather than running to correct me. try invention or coming up with an idea and going to a company to get them to bring it to the public and see if it happens overnite. think it does? think maybe it was possibly invented a year before it was introduced? yeah me to. thank u. lets go with 1947. as i said.
    btw.. maybe your car wouldnt be so filthy if u didnt live under a rock.

    By darth on Feb 23, 2013

  59. WRONG AGAIN DARTH..WOULD ONLY TAKE YOU ONE MINUTE TO RESEARCH BUT INSTEAD YOU SHOW YOUR IGNORANCE ONCE AGAIN.
    THIS IS EXCERPTED FROM THE DIARIES OF LIONEL MAPLESON AND THE LINK TO THE SITE IS BELOW..IT`S ALL THERE DARTH…..

    Managed to get the phonograph outfit and nearly a hundred wax cylinders safely on board together with our numerous belongings.
    March 25, 1901–During this season, have made a fine collection of phonograph cylinders. Melba and Jean de Reszke’s voices.
    · –From the diaries of Lionel Mapleson
    http://www.mapleson.com/The%20Mapleson%20Cylinders.htm

    By DROPKICK SARGE on Feb 23, 2013

  60. CURIOUS TO SEE HOW YOU ARE GOING TO TRY AND SQUIRM OUT OF THIS ONE DARTHY BOY.

    By DROPKICK SARGE on Feb 23, 2013

  61. so now your beloved wikipedia is not a credible source when someone uses it to prove u wrong again?? well then try these on for size idiot:

    http://tinyurl.com/b7jntzg
    “In 1948, Goldmark invented the LP by slowing the record from 78 revolutions per minute (rpm) to 33 1/3 rpm,…”

    http://www.history-of-rock.com/record_formats.htm
    “The 33, a.k.a. the “LP” (Long Playing record) or “album”, pictured above at left, was invented in 1948.”

    http://tinyurl.com/c9vqnh
    “(the LP) was invented in 1948 by Columbia Records”

    strrrrike threeee youre outta here!!! what position are you playing darth?? left out??

    By barth on Feb 24, 2013

  62. “the 45 started in 1949.”

    wrong again idiot. “In 1939, the entirely new RCA Victor 45 RPM system was developed, tested and ready for production”

    http://www.downstairsrecords.com/about/rpm.html

    By barth on Feb 24, 2013

  63. “as for the lp record. no.. it is 1947. not 1948. thats a fact. like it or not.”

    no sir i don’t like it…. because U R WRONG AGAIN. is the record collectors guild a credible source darth??

    “In 1930, RCA Victor launched the first commercially-available vinyl long-playing record, marketed as “Program Transcription” discs. These revolutionary discs were designed for playback at 33⅓ rpm and pressed on a 12″ diameter flexible plastic disc.

    http://tinyurl.com/bf6pmq4

    By barth on Feb 24, 2013

  64. HEY BARTH..I`M SITTING HERE TAPPING MY FINGERS DRINKING COLD BEER AND WAITING TO READ THE APOLOGY…DO YOU THINK I SHOULD HAVE PACKED A LUNCH?

    By DROPKICK SARGE on Feb 24, 2013

  65. sarge u should start smoking the barbeque low and slow… its going to be a long wait. im going for a ride in my clean shiny car.

    “i know everything” hahahahaha!!!!

    By barth on Feb 24, 2013

  66. i dont care if u like the facts. they stand as i stated them. rca released 5 45s on the same day. one in each genre. all in 1949. not 1939. but 1949. u may not like that u are wrong but thems the facts jack. im sure research started before this. of course. but they were first released to the public in 49. u can look this up if u wish.
    my point about wikipedia is that if u dont like that i use it then why are u using it?
    as for cylinders.. gimme a break. no one sat at home and said let me go out and buy some bootleg cylinders cuz i have everything al jolson has out so im gonna need me some wax cylinders to puff up my collection to impress my friends. i dont know what u are trying to say here but youre out of ur mind. and youre making a fool of yourself.

    By darth on Feb 24, 2013

  67. the only fact here is that U R WRONG. my last 5 links prove it. idiot.

    whats wrong with u??

    By barth on Feb 24, 2013

  68. i dont know what u are trying to say here

    MORE THAN OBVIOUS.
    HERE, LET ME SIMPLIFY IT. YOU SAID THE FIRST BOOTLEGS WERE DYLAN AND THE STONES AND MAYBE JAZZ.
    I CORRECTED YOU , AND POINTED OUT THAT THE FATHER OF BOOTLEGGING WAS LIONEL MAPLESON.
    THAT`S PRETTY SIMPLE DARTH .

    By DROPKICK SARGE on Feb 24, 2013

  69. A GREAT SAMPLING OF SMALL MOMENTS OF DARTH DEBATE.
    …and of all idiots to ask me that ridiculous question….
    …are u kidding? or just stupid? …
    …do u just say ignorant things to see ignorance in print …
    …maybe u are just f’ing with me…
    …youre out of ur mind. and youre making a fool of yourself….
    ..i dont care if u like the facts….

    By DROPKICK SARGE on Feb 24, 2013

  70. “i dont care if u like the facts.”

    yes i prefer them to your bs stories, cursing rants, and blathering.

    By barth on Feb 24, 2013

  71. i said the first rock boots were dylan and stones. i didnt say the first boots were dylan and stones. u are misquoting me. the false info u are perpetuating here about wax cylinders is totally bogus. i dont know where u got that crap. its all wrong and completely and totally fabricated. those cylinders were not bootlegs. i already went thru this with u repeatedly here. theres no reason to repeat it. learn to read. u didnt correct me. i corrected u. u blithering idiot.
    this mapleson was not the father of bootlegging. i dont know why u think he was. its preposterous. get a clue.
    once again. other than jazz records and we are talking about records here u imbecile.. not cylinders.. the first bootlegs were dylan then stones. if u dont understand the definition of bootleg then u need to look it up. i have a feeling u dont. i have a very strong feeling u dont know the difference between counterfeit bootleg and pirated recording. but thats beside the point anyway. facts are still facts. yours are all wrong.
    and u can copy and paste a bunch of partial lines of mine totally out of context. that wont prove very much. once again u are proving what u are. u should be extremely embarrassed and ashamed.
    stop wasting your time. im done wasting mine on u.

    By darth on Feb 24, 2013

  72. this mapleson was not the father of bootlegging. i dont know why u think he was. its preposterous. get a clue.

    LET ME SEE HE WAS BOOTLEGGING PERFORMANCES BACK IN 1900`S AND YOUR STONES AND DYLAN WERE BEING BOOTLEGGED IN THE 1960`S..
    FACE IT DARTH, YOU KNEW NOTHING ABOUT HIM AND CAN`T OR WON`T ADMIT IT AND NOW YOU ARE LOOKING MORE LIKE A CHUMP THAN EVER. PRECIOUS RECORDINGS OF SINGERS THAT WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN HEARD TODAY ARE STILL BEING ENJOYED BECAUSE OF MAPLESON`S WAX CYLINDER BOOTLEGGED RECORDINGS CHUMP.

    By DROPKICK SARGE on Feb 24, 2013

  73. LET`S SEE YOU REFUTE THIS WEBSITE CHUMP.
    http://www.mapleson.com/The%20Mapleson%20Cylinders.htm

    By DROPKICK SARGE on Feb 24, 2013

  74. LET`S SEE YOU REFUTE THIS WEBSITE CHUMP.
    http://www.mapleson.com/The%20Mapleson%20Cylinders.htm

    I took the time to read this and it is simply amazing. I did not know any of this and had assumed bootlegging probably started arounfd the jazzbos by people lugging around cumbersome reel to reel recorders.
    There is a book called “Bird Lives” which tells of one cat , a friends of Charlie Parker`s who would set up “shop” in the mens room behind the stage and record as much of the “Birds” music as possible but to think that this dude, Mapleson was recording on and changing literally two minute wax cylinders is astonishing. thanks for a great link! muchas appreciatos.

    By mojowire on Feb 25, 2013

  75. http://www.mapleson.com/The%20Mapleson%20Cylinders.htm

    I think this pretty well solves the argument.

    By brian m on Feb 26, 2013

  76. Jim Rodford R.I.P. 1941 - 2018

    By bigozine2 on Jan 21, 2018

  77. I miss Darth. Those were the days!

    By Starrwatts on Jan 21, 2018

  78. Man the comments section was sure different here..Darth was a legend and people actully had interesting music debates.What happened ?

    By Johnny on Dec 13, 2018

  79. Also no penis talk.How rewfreshing

    By Johnny on Dec 13, 2018

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