October 12, 2013 – 1:42 pm

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Austin City Limits 2013 [no label, 2CD]

Delta Machine Tour. Live at Zilker Park, Austin, TX; October 11, 2013. Excellent webcast.

Hot… Hot… Hot…

Reviewing the show, Joe Gross wrote at

From the moment Depeche Mode walks out on stage Friday night at the Austin City Limits Music Festival, a co-headliner with Muse, who is playing at the other end of the park, you are reminded that the three core musicians have been a stadium act, since the Reagan administration.

Baritone singer/self-described stripper Dave Gahan, guitarist/songwriter/tenor singer Martin Gore and guy-who-hangs-out-behind-a-synth-but-is-actually-their-business-manager Andrew Fletcher have been a recording band for more than 33 years…

Gahan is in terrific physical shape, maybe the best of his career, still preening and spinning with the mic stand and shaking his tail like the stripper he claims to be. Guyliner on his eyes, no shirt on his back, that dude absolutely owns the stage. And neither has lost his voice; Gahan’s baritone is still rich and vibrant. Gore’s torchy tenor still sounds like he should be singing in a cabaret…

Gore played guitar for most of the set; the music sometimes veered into straight-ahead rock (“A Pain…”) while “Personal Jesus” got a smart, slow-blues intro. Encoring with their 1980(!) bubble-pop smash “Just Can’t Get Enough,” the 1993 semi-grunge hit “I Feel You,” and the 1987 is-this-song-about-gay-guys-or-what classic “Never Let Me Down Again” made for a near-perfect festival set. Total pros, total pop stars, total strippers.

Thanks to ligushka for recording and sharing the tracks at Dime.

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Disc 1
Track 101. [2:19] Welcome To My World + (3.9MB)
Track 102. [4:34] Angel + (7.7MB)
Track 103. [6:44] Walking In My Shoes (11.3MB)
Track 104. [5:04] Precious (8.5MB)
Track 105. [4:59] Behind The Wheel (8.4MB)
Track 106. [5:39] World In My Eyes (9.5MB)
Track 107. [7:01] But Not Tonight (*) (11.8MB)
Track 108. [4:24] A Pain That I’m Used To (7.4MB)

Disc 2
Track 201. [4:23] A Question Of Time (7.4MB)
Track 202. [7:16] Enjoy The Silence (12.2MB)
Track 203. [10:45] Personal Jesus (18.1MB)
Track 204. [5:25] Shake The Disease (*) (9.1MB)
Track 205. [5:34] Just Can’t Get Enough (9.3MB)
Track 206. [6:44] I Feel You (11.3MB)
Track 207. [7:16] Never Let Me Down Again (12.2MB)
Total time: 1:29

+ Songs from the new album, Delta Machine.

Dave Gahan - lead vocals
Martin Gore - guitar, backing vocals, occasional lead vocals (*)
Andrew Fletcher - keyboards
Peter Gordeno - keyboards, bass guitar (during “A Pain That I’m Used To”), backing vocals
Christian Eigner - drums

All tracks written by Martin L. Gore, except for “Just Can’t Get Enough” which was written by Vince Clarke.

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  1. 116 Responses to “DEPECHE MODE - AUSTIN 2013”

  2. when i learned a bunch of years back.. not sure exactly when it was.. that a live album that dm released.. was note for note their official studio album re-released with an audience track tacked onto it and not even sped up slightly to throw fans off or altered in any way whatsoever. no doctoring no added studio trickery nothing cept the screaming and applause of a recorded audience on top of the regular album they just released.. that left such a horrible taste in my mouth that i lost all interest in anything they would ever do again. i have no use for them. now dont get me wrong.. i enjoy synth pop and dance music of this sort as much as anyone to a point. its not my fave type of music of course but there are times when im in that mood. i just dont like the wool being pulled over my ears. i believe billy joel did this once. yes that bothered me but since i dont really care for anything he has done since 83 it doesnt matter that much anyway. i think trying to sell an album twice and calling the 2nd one live when its not is obnoxious.

    By darth on Oct 12, 2013

  3. A friend of mine just saw this band with her boyfriend in the Orange County area south of L.A. about 2 weeks ago. All I had before was poor quality, so thanks Big O for this. I’m sure she will appreciate it.

    By 5yrsnojob on Oct 12, 2013

  4. Wrong again, darth. “Songs Of Faith And Devotion Live” was NOT the studio tracks with with audience sounds added, it was an actual live recording. The only songs on it were all from the album “Songs Of Faith And Devotion”, which was released maybe six months earlier. If you listen to both albums, there are differences in the way the band plays the songs, but not very many. A girlfriend at the time of the release was a big DM fan and I had to hear both albums, so I know they’re different.

    I’ve never been much of a fan, except for Johnny Cash’s cover of “Personal Jesus”, but they had concert videos directed by Anton Corbjin and the legendary D.A. Pennebaker, director of “Don’t Look Back” with Bob Dylan, “Monterey Pop”, and many others.

    By Dingus on Oct 12, 2013

  5. So…carth is just spewing word vomit without any idea of what he’s talking about? Boy, that’s a surprise…

    By Innocent Bystander on Oct 13, 2013

  6. so…again nobody was talking to you dim bulb…

    By buttlick sarge on Oct 13, 2013

  7. the songs are identical as i said. there is literally no difference whatsoever. u can play both recordings at the same time start the first cd (studio) and the second cd (live) on the same note and listen with one ear to both recordings and tell that they are literally identical without any difference whatsoever as i said. every single song starts and finishes.. if u ignore the applause and screaming.. at exactly the same instant. theyre all.. i repeat all.. the exact same length. not one single note is different between the two recordings. dont take anyones word for it if these sorts of things are of importance to u. take the time to investigate. i did. i knew dozens of others who did also. i then decided that they were ripping ppl off. prior to that i thought they were a fun techno band. some schmuck who puts all his energy into contradicting me at every turn and stalking me on youtube and harassing me in any way he can is not necessarily someone whose word can be accepted as believable when he simply says im wrong. oh.. i forgot.. he said he had a girlfriend who was a fan and made him listen so he knows. omg. i have a pain in my side from laughing. haha. ouch. stop it.

    By darth on Oct 13, 2013

  8. when you have to read comments from out to lunch bystanders…you have to laugh

    By buttlick sarge on Oct 13, 2013

  9. “buttlick”–you couldn’t have come up with a better name for yourself.

    By Innocent Bystander on Oct 13, 2013

  10. Wrong again and again, darth. Innocent Bystander’s right, though lmfao!

    As Wikipedia says “Songs of Faith and Devotion Live is Depeche Mode’s live album recorded during their worldwide Devotional tour and was released on 6 December 1993. The album, which featured performances mainly recorded in Liévin (France) with two other tracks recorded in Copenhagen (Denmark) and New Orleans, was a track by track live duplicate of the Songs of Faith and Devotion album, which was released earlier in 1993.”

    Also, an article on allmusic states that it’s “a track-for-track duplication of the album from the accompanying tour, culled from a variety of dates in Europe and America.” Looks like you and your circle jerk friends didn’t listen very well.

    darth, you also said Billy Joel faked a live album. Got a title for us?

    Still laughing, darthyboy? Ouch.

    One more thing, darth- on the Phil Cohen/Yardbirds Fillmore 1968 post you said the Yardbirds made an appearance on The Simpsons. I pointed out your mistake. Do you have a link for that video yet? Or were you… wrong again, darth?

    Who’s the schmuck now, darth? :-)

    By Dingus on Oct 13, 2013

  11. BigO, thanks for sharing this, nice one :)

    laughing at the artwork - there’s a bunch of words where either the letter “K” or letter “M” are missing ;)

    I guess Sesame Street was NOT brought to you, today, by the letters “M” and “K” LOL

    hey, before anyone tells me that there ARE letters K and M in the artwork, yes there are, but towards the end, letters M and K go AWOL :)

    By Des Pooch Mood on Oct 13, 2013

  12. I hear ya buttlick-I guess innocent kickstand is stalking you too,lol

    By barth on Oct 13, 2013

  13. the truth is, fake barth, i agree with innocent bystander. buttlick is accurately named.

    By barth on Oct 13, 2013

  14. why are u using wikipedia when u are the first one to attack me for using it? isnt that hypocritical? the person who posted that information on wiki about the dm album is taking the info from the publicity sheet that dm’s management shot out and put it in verbatim onto the wiki page. it looks to me like i was right tho. u are doing exactly like i said u would. dance puppetboy dance. talk about yanking your strings. lol.
    anyway. its not that big a deal to me to convince u since i doubt u will ever change your belief system even if undeniable proof was shown to u. and u will only keep saying things like well? and why arent u responding? and see? i knew u couldnt put up and prove your shit and other stupid comments like that. we’ve all seen them time and time again. your efforts to try to lure me into those ridiculous arguments with u. i made my case and all u do is say im wrong. i suggested that anyone could just compare the two recordings. hearing is believing. 70-80% of the time the band fakes their performances anyway. but when they did that ‘live’ album they didnt even bother showing up for it. the studio engineers and producers were all that was needed for that one. it was a rip off. it was a f’d up attempt to take advantage of their fan base. at the time anyone who read any articles that had come out reviewing the album would have learned that theyd have been wasting their money if they bought it.

    on the subject of the simpsons / yardbirds thing.. In 2007, The Yardbirds released a live CD, recorded on July 19th, 2006, called “Live At B.B. King Blues Club”, featuring the McCarty, Dreja, Idan, King and Miskimmin line-up. The first episode of the ‘07 / ‘08 season of TV’s The Simpsons featured the song “I’m A Man” from that CD.

    im not trying to find a video of it. if u want the video then do your own work to find it. i have no interest in simpsons cartoons. i have the cd. thats all i cared about. im sure u can find the above info that i supplied u with that apparently u didnt know about and youre welcome for it.. on your own. and since u asked.. who the schmuck is.. ahem.. YOU ARE!!

    By darth on Oct 14, 2013

  15. i think its ironic that someone who creates a name to mock me / my name.. has the gall / audacity to call anyone ‘fake’. thats just mind numbingly incredible. if ever there was a reason to shake ones head.. there it is. wow!

    By darth on Oct 14, 2013

  16. i hear ya darth-true words.

    now,now barth…do us all a favor and go out and play in a busy street

    By real fake barth on Oct 14, 2013

  17. darthyboy, would you take Depeche Mode’s word for it? Hmmm? The description of “Songs of Faith and Devotion Live” on the official Depeche Mode web site is that the album is “A live album of the Devotional Tour, edited and re-sequenced to match the running order of the “Songs Of Faith And Devotion” studio album.” Read it and weep:

    The allmusic article calls it “a track-for-track duplication of the album from the accompanying tour, culled from a variety of dates in Europe and America.” That makes three sources that say you’re… wrong again, darth.

    darth, did it ever once cross your mind that they’re professional musicians who can play their songs note for note almost every time? Hmmm?

    I see you’ve changed your tune about the Yardbirds/Simpsons episode. You originally said they made an “appearance”, now the episode “featured the song”, which is what I already told you. Now you’re getting your information from me. Hmmm.

    What about that fake Billy Joel live album? Still no title, darthyboy? I guess you’re too busy shaking your head at the circle jerk to look it up. You are, aren’t you?

    By Dingus on Oct 14, 2013

  18. I guess you’re too busy shaking your head at the circle jerk to look it up. You are, aren’t you?

    that would make you the pivot boy,wouldn’t it?

    By donkey breath bootlick on Oct 14, 2013

  19. No, it wouldn’t! Isn that what they call you when you lick boots at the circle jerk? That might explain your donkey breath! The next name you use should be horses ass, it fits you just as well as buttlick, donkey breath, and bootlick! Hahahahahahahaha!!

    By Dingus on Oct 14, 2013

  20. couldn’t find yardbirds on simpsons, but who would have knows he wanted to see springsteen?

    By horses ass on Oct 14, 2013

  21. nope…sorry’s ass belongs to you and you alone. you own it my friend.Case closed,lol

    By donkey breath bootlick on Oct 14, 2013

  22. of course the band isnt going to admit they faked the recording. cmon now.

    i didnt change my tune. how can a band make an appearance on a cartoon?? what the hell is wrong with u. the song is taken from the live album tho. what did u think i meant? the images are of them in cartoon form. the audio is from the live cd. the clip is of them performing on stage. whats wrong with u???
    im not getting any information from u. im the one giving u the information that u evidently didnt know. u didnt even know they were on the show. holy crap.
    im not going to keep doing all your research. youre just going to have to learn to use the internet yourself. if u can stalk u can surf.

    By darth on Oct 14, 2013

  23. darth, I’ll make this very simple for you to understand, your mental capability is slipping badly.

    You’re the only one online who says Depeche Mode faked the live album. I listened to them both myself in ‘93, and they’re very close, but not the same. You’re the one who makes many, many more mistakes here than anyone else, but you don’t believe me, the band,, or your favorite source, Wikipedia. Please show me a reputable web site that agrees with you. I double dare you.

    “how can a band make an appearance on a cartoon??”
    You’re the one who said the Yardbirds “appeared” on The Simpsons, and I quickly corrected your mistake. I told you at the time I was a major Simpsons fan, and the song played in the background during a scene. Have you forgotten already?? Now you say you have no interest in the show. If you’d watch it, your question would be unnecessary. Why ask me now how they could appear, when YOU are the one said they did??

    You’re getting valuable information from me, but you’re ignoring it, probably because you’re upset that I’ve correct so many of your mistakes. I understand.

    Please do you own research before making comments like the first one on this post. I look forward to the day when I won’t need to type: wrong again, darth.

    darth, please surf the internet, and give us all the information that proves your statement that Billy Joel faked a live album. Thank you.

    By Dingus on Oct 14, 2013

  24. The Beatles had their own cartoon movie, Yellow Submarine.. so why couldnt the yardbirds be on Simpsons. Maybe everything is really cartoon and we don’t know it?

    By horses ass on Oct 14, 2013

  25. i cant believe this idiot doesnt understand how the yardbirds appeared in the show. its incredible. and then when he gets his information from me he turns it around admitting he didnt know it but says i got the information from him. holy crap.
    he uses wikipedia then claims its my favorite source. ming boggling.
    he says im the one making a mistake but im the one who proved what i said. i didnt make any mistakes. he just doesnt know when to admit he didnt know something. so i give him exact dates and all pertinent info.
    i explain to him how a faked live album is in fact truly not really live and he insists he had a gf who loved them and forced him to listen to it.. therefore he knows. omg. how can anyone deny it now. he knows. he had a girlfriend. how could anyone argue against that?
    im actually trying to talk to someone who admits hes a major simpsons fan. i dont know how many people are reading what is going on here but i sure as hell would be hugely embarrassed if i was him. a major simpsons fan. omg.. im still in pain from laughing.
    valuable information. holy crap. im twice this idiots age and i have known more than he ever will but im getting valuable info from him. if that doesnt make the dead laugh their asses off nothing will.
    im so sick of trying to educate this idiot. he will never stop. the more i give him the more he will insist im wrong. even when i prove him wrong.. he will repeatedly say see? i told u u were wrong. even my haters realize that theres something wrong with him. i am so tired of him. ill just let him go on and on. im sure he will have many more comments to add every time i post. everyone has their shadow.. i have gum on my shoe. well im not sure its gum. but its something. sure wish i could scrape it off.

    By darth on Oct 14, 2013

  26. btw horses.. u know the only involvement that peter max had to do with the yellow submarine film.. is the poster.

    By darth on Oct 14, 2013

  27. I will tweek the conversation, such as it is, just a little. What famous legend of rock, whose songs were recorded by the Stones and Beatles, had a fake live album in the 60’s? Their label even put a fake announcer on the LP, introducing the songs as if they were really live?

    By 5yrsnojob on Oct 14, 2013

  28. Oh, and one song listed on the cover originally recorded by the Beach Boys was not on the record inside, instead a new “surf” instrumental by the artist was in it’s place? (now I just gave a couple clues right there). I have the LP.

    By 5yrsnojob on Oct 14, 2013

  29. im thinking the impressions

    By darth on Oct 14, 2013

  30. stones did it too tho.. not a total live album but with one song

    By darth on Oct 14, 2013

  31. Interesting thought, horses ass. Let’s not forget that the Beatles starred in their own Saturday morning cartoon show.

    Other Simpsons fans who have actually appeared on the show, include The Ramones, Stephen Hawking, Spinal Tap, Stephen King, Johnny Cash, George Harrison, Ringo Starr, Thomas Pynchon, Mel Brooks, Tony Bennett, Joe Frazier, Paul Newman, Elton John, Dan Clowes, Stan Lee, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Tom Petty, Elvis Costello, Jonathan Franzen, Tom Brady, Wolfgang Puck, Bob Hope, Frank Gehry, and darth’s special lady Ellen DeGeneres. Surf on over to Simpsons Wiki for a more complete list.

    By Dingus on Oct 14, 2013

  32. 5yrs- Would that be the Beach Boys “Wow! Great Concert!” on Pickwick? It certainly isn’t Billy Joel.

    By Dingus on Oct 14, 2013

  33. what the hell is wrong with the simpsons???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    By tman on Oct 14, 2013

  34. Not a thing, tman. Just consider the source.

    Did you know that The Simpsons was one of the late film director Stanley Kubrick’s three favorite TV shows? The other two were Roseanne and King Of The Hill. He said they gave the most accurate depiction of everyday American life. Think about the number of notable people who have appeared on the show, and you’ll realize we’re in good company. Remember the episode with Paul & Linda McCartney, and John Updike’s role as Krusty The Clown’s ghostwriter? He spoke two words- his name, and was insulted by Krusty. Hilarious!

    By Dingus on Oct 14, 2013

  35. one the silliest sounding faux live songs was Blues Deluxe from the Jeff Beck truth lp.
    The music was fine the crowd sounded like they came from a bullfight.

    By sluggo on Oct 14, 2013

  36. listen for yourself…

    By sluggo on Oct 14, 2013

  37. Dingus, sorry no, it’s not the Beach Boys. That Pickwick label was the worst plastic ever pressed, everything sounded lousy on it. I had to sell it when I worked in the record department of a big department store. BTW, another clue. The artist is a solo male, and he is still alive, and performed at least once with Yoko.

    By 5yrsnojob on Oct 14, 2013

  38. 5years you ding a ling I know who the mystery artist is! LOL

    By sluggo on Oct 14, 2013

  39. actually the Live Yardbirds with jimmy Page official album has a lot of added audience sound as well.
    speaking of bullfights which I mentioned with the jeff beck/blues deluxe crowd noise , actual spectator cheers from bullfights were used in this recording of the Yardbirds .
    This is an extremely difficult lp to find as Page filed a lawsuit and had it recalled . Beware of counterfeits !

    By sluggo on Oct 14, 2013

  40. I didn’t know that this kid recorded an album! Another great Simpsons moment!

    I thought it might be him, his label released a lot of repetitive stuff when the Brits did their cover versions. Pickwick may have been the cheapest label ever, everything they did looked cheesy. Even RCA Camden looked good by comparison.

    By Dingus on Oct 14, 2013

  41. So, 5yrs., the answer is Chuck Berry?
    I can believe it. Though one of the most important artists of the 20th century, the dude’s the very definition of a sleaze.
    I’m pretty sure the Beach Boys did the same thing with their first “live” album, too, though.
    And the supposed live tracks on Gram Parsons’ Grievous Angel album were done in the studio with crowd noise from people hanging out there.

    By YogaforCynics on Oct 15, 2013

  42. if u check youll find a lot of canned audience on billy joel’s first live album from 1981 songs in the attic. the songs are supposedly taken from live performances at various dates and venues and perhaps they are. who knows? but that audience is definitely fake. which makes u wonder how much of the material u are hearing is too. i remembering reading that dire straits’ live album was one of the first ones without any doctoring and this was huge news and made headlines at the time. it was unheard of.

    By darth on Oct 15, 2013

  43. Yeah, nearly all live albums have “some doctoring.” Most have lots. In most cases, it’s an improvement over the “real thing” found on bootlegs, if people can get over their hangups about “authenticity.” But studio doctoring of live tracks and completely faking a live album by adding crowd noise to the original studio recordings are two completely different things. This should be clear even to an idiot like darth.

    By Innocent Bystander on Oct 15, 2013

  44. Very true, Innocent Bystander, and the audience sound can be adjusted in the mix, same as the singer and the individual instruments.

    All the songs on “Songs In The Attic” were recorded live at various venues.

    By Dingus on Oct 15, 2013

  45. and if u listen to the album u can certainly hear that the audience is not genuine. its all fake. if u read a few articles about that album.. its extremely obvious that someone is faking that piece of crap.

    By darth on Oct 15, 2013

  46. Sluggo wins. He released “Ding-a-Ling”, Chuck Berry. The LP started out with the announcer and the audience reacting to his words by changing the volume, but not the character, like turning the volume knob up and down after each key phrase. “Now, ladies and gentlemen, this artist has had hits such as “Nadine!” (crowd gets loud, then fades down), “Maybelline!” (crowd), “Surfing U.S.A.!”(crowd), “and many others. Let’s give a warm (crowd) Chicago (crowd) welcome to (crowd)-(shouting now) Chuck! (louder crowd) Crazy Legs! (louder crowd) BERRY!!” (Louder Crowd). Then they play the recording of Maybelline. Later on, their substitution for Surfing U.S.A., “Surfing Steel”, which is nothing more than twanging comparatively gently on his electric guitar to a slow studio beat. L-A-M-E!! It is the only “surf??!” song I’d ever heard him play. Obviously, the LP was rushed out to capitalize on the Beach Boys using the music of “Sweet Little Sixteen” to make “Surfing U.S.A.”. Hence the wacky introduction to the LP. I remember being quite disappointed, not getting to hear Chuck’s version of the song. Maybe there is some long lost demo recording of Chuck trying it, but nonetheless, they were in a hurry. Possibly the artwork was approved before realizing that the song wasn’t going to be on the album (ha!)

    By 5yrsnojob on Oct 15, 2013

  47. darth, I don’t need to read other articles, is a reputable site. If there were a rumor of any fakery on the album, they would have reported it. A good engineer can make a recording of a live audience sound any way he desires. It’s no surprise that you don’t provide any links to back up your claim, darth.

    Common sense should tell you that Billy Joel, at the height of his fame, isn’t going to risk his reputation by releasing a fake live album. This should be clear, even to an idiot like you.

    We’re done here, darth. Time to move on.

    By Dingus on Oct 15, 2013

  48. Really, darth, shut the fuck up, already.

    By Constructive Criticism and Friendly Advice on Oct 15, 2013

  49. YogaForCynics should get recognition, as he mentioned the name first. But Sluggo called me a ding a ling, signaling that he knew. Chuck was fine to me in person, the two of us alone in Northridge when he bought the 21 piece bucket of Pioneer Chicken from me in 73 at 10:50pm near the corner of Roscoe on Reseda, next to Winchell’s Donuts. We both had some time, and he started into a chicken leg while we talked. He was on his way to the studio after flying in - I’ve forgotten from where. He was wearing a gold glimmer jacket, black slacks, a dark shirt, and black dress shoes. He left, still eating chicken, and literally hopped into the tiny little red sports car convertible he was driving. He was off into the night on a dark lonely big boulevard, heading south on Reseda. And I didn’t have a camera or even think to ask for an autograph!

    By 5yrsnojob on Oct 15, 2013

  50. sluggo, have fun with your no-prize! LOL

    On the subject of doctored Chuck Berry performances… the Chuck documentary “Hail! Hail! Rock ‘n Roll!” was released as a four DVD box set a while back. One of the discs has the “making of” war stories, where director Taylor Hackford, Keith Richards, and others discuss how difficult it was to work with Chuck, who insisted on being paid in cash every day. Two days before the big concert they’ve been rehearsing for, Chuck left for a gig (cash payday) and blew out his voice! His vocals had to be overdubbed after the fact, which gave him an another cash payday!

    By Dingus on Oct 15, 2013

  51. I love music trivia 5 years and enjoyed the game!

    By sluggo on Oct 15, 2013

  52. for the last nearly 20 yrs in a chat room that i frequented we did music trivia but a few yrs ago a few ppl came into the room and started to ruin the room and ultimately it died and everyone started to evacuate. a lot of the time when no one could think of really decent trivia it became the sort of thing where ppl would name a song and others would have to just name the original artist or most famous artist that did it.
    there are still some trivia games that go on at certain times and in certain special rooms but its not like it used to be. people have a habit of ruining things. not unlike this site. ahem. ya know?

    on another note.. ding a ling was chucks only #1 hit. he had to rewrite it 3x before it would actually become a hit. it was a totally different song the first 2x.
    he would expect the local bands in each town he went to to know his music when he got there and they became his backing band.
    at the fillmore east in 68 his backing band included a not yet famous steve howe of yes (at the time he had been in bodast and tomorrow). the song i had of chuck from that performance with steve howe i believe was released on some sort of collection of performances but it was out of print. i had gotten it in the mid 80s myself off of a wbai-fm radio brdcst in nyc. they did weekly grateful dead shows and every so often would add other rarities as well.

    By darth on Oct 15, 2013

  53. Thanks sluggo. It was a spur of the moment thing, just to try to get everyone off of being bad to each other. Well, that didn’t last long. The time I saw on a TV video a performance where Chuck was performing on a talk show with John Lennon and Yoko was up there with a little drum to bang on. There was a single mike, and it was on the drum. About 2/3 of the way through, Chuck and John were having a good time, rockin out, so the camera was on the two of them. All of a sudden, Yoko goes nuts, grabs the little drum mike and starts screaming loud, like a horror from the Egyptian netherworld! Chuck and John continued to perform, but Chuck’s face jerked forward in alarm each time Yoko wailed. His eyes seemed to be the size of cue balls, and were about as white! It seriously looked like he was back in prison, and had made the mistake of bending over in the shower for the dropped bar of soap! What a hilarious response!

    By 5yrsnojob on Oct 15, 2013

  54. Dingus, I saw that Hail! in the theater. I still have the VHS tape I bought. Keith Richards was going to have a fist fight with Chuck after the performance, because the chords Berry used were based on piano chords, and it screwed up Keith’s performance (as I recall from about 35 years ago…)

    By 5yrsnojob on Oct 15, 2013

  55. 5yrs, I remember after the big concert Keith said something like “I love the man and what he’s done, but never again”. Chuck comes off as being very difficult in the movie, but the bonus disc in the box set gives you all the dirt. He doesn’t seem to care that the main reason for doing the movie is because they love his music. He knows they won’t have a movie without him, and he puts everyone through hell. He’s thoroughly unlikeable.

    That’s a cool story about Pioneer Chicken. He probably bought the 21 piece bucket for a late dinner, ate it during the session, and saved what was left for a meal on the plane ride home.

    By Dingus on Oct 15, 2013

  56. Chuck Berry did not write my ding-a-ling.
    New Orleans musician,
    Dave Bartholomew penned the tune way back in the early 50`s. I have the recording.
    Also, not too sure about the steve howe /chuck berry fillmore reference as Steve Miller was the guitarist on the live fillmore/chuck berry lp back in `67 or `68.

    By sluggo on Oct 15, 2013

  57. dave bartholomew/my ding-a-ling

    By sluggo on Oct 15, 2013

  58. Thanks sluggo, I wasn’t aware of Dave Bartholomew’s original. Chuck had an early version of Ding-A-Ling called “My Tambourine”. Ironic that he’d sue John Lennon for “Come Together” but call “My Ding-A-Ling” his own.

    I have that Chuck Berry & Steve Miller Band live Fillmore album, Steve Howe’s not in the band. I doubt that he had even played in the US at that time.

    darth’s been tossing out deliberate mistakes for a while now. He never has links to credible web sites to prove his point. He fantasizes that his “harassers” are going to spend hours online searching for sites to prove him wrong. Time to move on.

    By Dingus on Oct 15, 2013

  59. Ironic that he’d sue John Lennon for “Come Together” but call “My Ding-A-Ling” his own.

    that`s chuck…if you saw hail hail rock and roll you saw the man.
    They had the entire concert setlist worked out[keith clapton et al] with chuck and right onstage that night he turns to keith and wants to change the key of all the songs..Keith did him the largest favour ever, providing him with the best backup band he would ever have and he still tried to fuck with it..Also, techies had wired the amp chuck was using with a master volume control running down below the stage because they just new he would fiddle with his amp after the sound-check and sure enough he walks back to his amp and tries to turn up a few times without realizing he had no control over the volume. hilarious, keith deserved a rock and roll medal for that effort!

    By sluggo on Oct 15, 2013

  60. You think darth would really “toss out deliberate mistakes,” just to get attention, Dingus? Wow. That’s truly sad. You’ve got me feeling sorry for the guy.

    By Innocent Bystander on Oct 15, 2013

  61. He did it a little while ago Innocent Bystander, but it was very obvious and I called him out on it. I suspect that’s the reason he’s been prolonging the arguments lately, he wants people to spend a lot of time online trying to prove him wrong. Let’s try to ignore him and move on.

    By Dingus on Oct 15, 2013

  62. “actually the Live Yardbirds with jimmy Page official album has a lot of added audience sound as well.”

    That was never an official album, or at least not a legit one. Page and/or Zep management have successfully sued to get it taken off the market every time a release has been attempted. It’s a fun listen, though.

    By drkrick on Oct 15, 2013

  63. That was never an official album, or at least not a legit one

    what ? it was released and withdrawn almost immediately .
    I have a legit copy on epic records stereo/E 30615 with the
    full color jacket . this is neither a pirate nor a bootleg, it is the real deal issued by Epic in 1971.

    By sluggo on Oct 15, 2013

  64. Great stories, never knew any of that about Chuck Berry. At least give darth credit for the first name of the guitarist, he did say Steve.

    By blue moon on Oct 16, 2013

  65. hail hail was from st louis in 86 released a year later. its on tv constantly. in fact i think its been on 6x in the last month. thats 27 years ago it was filmed but 26 years ago since it was released. my original interest in the film was claptons involvement but after watching it i was very happy i did because its a killer film.

    By darth on Oct 16, 2013

  66. if u look closely at what i said.. i didnt say chuck wrote the song. i said he had to rewrite it to make it a hit. its so funny that u have to keep using wikipedia and quoting it yet u repeatedly attack me for using it and saying that its my fave site. i checked and everything u say is lifted directly from it.

    as for the steve howe involvement.. it is him on the fillmore east recording. by 67-68 miller had his own blues band. just because u cant verify something doesnt mean it isnt so. no im not making deliberate mistakes. in fact im not making mistakes at all. u need to just accept the fact there are things u may not know that i might. i gave the source of the information and recording and i have checked it more than once and i am 100% positive of the accuracy of it. i also believe that at some point howe was asked about this and he verified the information. these things are not just simply stated to get u to react. u need to get over yourselves.

    live yardbirds with page was an official album. it was on their shelves due to be remixed because page didnt like how the lp sounded. it had been recalled and there were intentions of it being re-released which never came to fruition. counterfeits (as opposed to bootlegs) have been released of it in identical form so its nearly impossible to tell the difference. if u know what to look for u can tell if u have one. i think the fake ones didnt come out til 76 the same year the csp version came out. check out the article on wiki at -

    By darth on Oct 16, 2013

  67. for the last nearly 20 yrs in a chat room that i frequented we did music trivia but a few yrs ago a few ppl came into the room and started to ruin the room and ultimately it died and everyone started to evacuate.

    Well i guess we know who did the ruining.
    I have the dave bartholomew record and did not need wiki to let me know about him writing ding a ling.
    I also have the chuck berry with steve miller lp but you can look for yourself on just about any site that lists his discography .
    I don`t know why why do this to yourself Darth, but it does get pretty tedious knowing you will refute and deny any time you are wrong which lately seems to be pretty damn often. I also know you will try and put a spin on even this post so fire away, I know I`m right this time and I`m not going to argue back and forth just to give you something to do.

    By sluggo on Oct 16, 2013

  68. here darth , from your favourite source! I`m sure even you will be able to read Steve Miller as the guitarist.

    By sluggo on Oct 16, 2013

  69. Wrong again, darth. Steve Howe did not play the Chuck Berry concert, his official web site verifies it. Case closed.

    sluggo, you’re right, it’s tedious. There’s no need to argue, anyone can see he’s wrong every time. He has no credibility anymore.

    Sorry blue moon, but darth gets credit for nothing but mistakes sociopathic behavior. The box set of the movie is out of print, maybe you can rent it with the extra “making of” disc.

    By Dingus on Oct 16, 2013

  70. Make that “mistakes AND sociopathic behavior”. darth, I did that on purpose to brighten your day :-)

    By Dingus on Oct 16, 2013

  71. chuck berry is darth with talent and money.

    By barth on Oct 16, 2013

  72. darth is a poster with no brains

    By speedboy on Oct 16, 2013

  73. barth is a poster with no brains

    By speedboy on Oct 16, 2013

  74. thats a no brainer!

    By barth on Oct 16, 2013

  75. Is this darth?

    By Innocent Bystander on Oct 16, 2013

  76. A troll with a bald spot, getting warm. “I’m trained contemporaneously!”. Warmer…

    By Dingus on Oct 16, 2013

  77. as far as the room goes.. we all had to leave the room and find another room because some idiots had come into the room and spent 4-5 yrs destroying it. finally we abandoned it. u cant guess u know who did the ruining since u werent there and i was a fabulous member of the room.

    i didnt suggest u should use wiki for the ding a ling song. but u arent the only one here. and i obviously wasnt talking to u if u look carefully at what i said. if u didnt use and quote wiki then my words clearly couldnt have been to u. think man think.

    i dont know about the chuck fillmore record u have. i am not sure how many times he played the fillmore east. i do know that at one show in 68 the band he had on stage with him included howe. i do know that at least one song from this performance was recorded and brdcst. i dont know if the entire thing was committed to vinyl or not. i do know that the one song i had recorded off of wbai-fm during their usual weekly grateful dead show was from that particular event. i knew the guys who did this weekly event on the radio. i spent 10 years or more very into making sure i never missed that show and becoming good friends with those hosts. i am not specifically discussing the record u claim to have. i shouldnt have to pinpoint each detail like this so u understand what i am saying. im not the one doing this to myself. u are one of the idiots who does this. i made a statement. u dont like my statements. u could just keep your responses to yourself and not try to prove me wrong on every fucking thing i say even when u know im right but u cant control yourselves. steve howe is absolutely on the recording. sadly i no longer have the tape any longer. i cant share it with anyone. i had it in 2-3 places in fact. i stopped all audio recording in nov 95 and my entire collection of audio & video tapes disappeared in july 02. i had to start over in april 04. at least i still had cds. as u said u will not go back and forth. u often say this. u normaly do it anyway even tho u say u wont. but at least u say it.
    the steve howe site doesnt verify anything.
    blue - if u want the film u can find it on tv being rebroadcast or u can rent it from netflix or redbox or find it locally in your area at a video or dvd rental place if u happen to have one. u can also find it on amazon or other stores that sell such things.
    i pulled up the show on my guide just now and it shows that it is scheduled to be on but it doesnt show the specifics right now. i would suggest checking vh1classics and the palladia channel if u have them.

    By darth on Oct 17, 2013

  78. Two stoned Deadheads is your proof?? Seriously??

    Steve Howe’s first band, The Syndicats, released their first single in 1964. It was a cover of Chuck Berry’s “Maybellene”.

    Deadheads + weed = mistakes about Steve Howe and Chuck Berry. Case closed, move on.

    By Dingus on Oct 17, 2013

  79. seriously darth you missed your calling you should have been a lawyer.
    talk about convoluted
    puts me in mind of your favourite live performer billy joel…
    “You can never argue with a crazy
    m-m-m-m-m-mind, ‘

    By sluggo on Oct 17, 2013

  80. funny how right i was that u wouldnt keep to your word. ha.
    the hosts of the show playing the dead every week werent stoned. im sure they might have gotten stoned from time to time but if they were stoned while on the air they would have been fired. i didnt offer the info as proof btw.. i merely offered the information as some of the details as to where i obtained the track i had and the info behind it.
    steve howes history from the early to mid 60s isnt the subject here.
    i did move on. youre the one who isnt able to.
    billy joel isnt my favorite live performer.

    By darth on Oct 17, 2013

  81. can`t wait for next weeks installment of Darth`s History of Rock and Roll.

    By sluggo on Oct 17, 2013

  82. funny how right i was that u wouldnt keep to your word. ha.

    ha, have decided to play the darth game ,ha, and I didn`t say i wouldn`t respond i just said that I wasn`t going to go back and forth with you .ha this isn`t going back and forth this is a totally different thing that you haven`t figured out . i have a tape somewhere of someone saying its okay to do this but i don`t have to prove it to you, think man think. I am not specifically claiming that this isn`t a diatribe between you and i but a mere acknowledgement of i told you so, again think man think or do i have to constantly point it out to you . get over yourself and tell us more about steve howe and chuck berry you idiot.oh yeah and think man think or
    better yet

    just stick to being the human tv guide, its what you do best.ha

    By sluggo on Oct 17, 2013

  83. darth will you be doing a tour and a signing of your history of rock and roll book?

    By sluggo on Oct 17, 2013

  84. “steve howes history from the early to mid 60s isnt the subject here.”

    It is when you claim he played with Chuck Berry in the ’60s. You must have known the only Deadheads that weren’t stoned! Idiot.

    By Dingus on Oct 17, 2013

  85. darth will do his book tour as soon as he stops screaming at trumpet players:

    By Dingus on Oct 17, 2013

  86. coincidentally -

    By darth on Oct 18, 2013

  87. coincidentally, about disappointment..i thought you were going to tell us it wasn`t Keith that put this together but rather steve howe . I made myself a coffee and got all set for another rock and roll fable darth style…

    By sluggo on Oct 18, 2013

  88. Getting back to Depeche Mode, word on the “street” is that the show to see is the Los Angeles at Staples Center, specifically the Sept. 29, 2013. There was a larger setlist, and some of the selections go back to early days, like 1981. All 20 songs are on YouTube in HD. Gahan was wild throughout.

    By 5yrsnojob on Oct 18, 2013

  89. Leave my son alone or there will be blood on the tracks!!

    By Darths Mom on Oct 30, 2013

  90. Darth even as your mother I have to say “you’re 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag” If you don’t know shit about a band don’t open your mouth and speak shit about a band. I won’t get into the many reasons why you’re wrong and why a good and simple man…..more simple than good such as yourself is totally wrong about DM’s Album being the same Album with a crowd plastered over it.

    Your babbling would be slanderous if it was not so ludicrous! Now it’s way past your bed time now don’t forget to go pee before sleep, we don’t want any accidents like last night!

    By Darths Mom on Oct 30, 2013

  91. I saw DM live in Toronto for the Faith and Devotion tour of the mentioned albums and they were amazing live, one of the best shows i’ve ever seen.

    Now Darth,as with any electronic band there are elements of the show that are preprogrammed and Sequenced because music of this type is created on computers…..Similar to Thom Yorkes Eraser Album and what the band do is take those computer sequences on stage with them and play live over top of them and yes even some of the backing vocals may be part of these sequences. What DM do is they have a programmer sequence these songs for there tours and every tour they alter their songs to keep them fresh and they are very rarely the exact same and may even dare say NEVER the same.

    This is this type of music, if you don’t like it fine but don’t make silly statements that expose you as a knob head it really does you no favours .

    By Rockin Rick on Oct 30, 2013

  92. anyone even care if its live or not its still shit

    By gee ho shes phat on Oct 30, 2013

  93. I don’t think that’s the point Knob head,why don’t you share with everyone your tastes because Im sure it will be universally loved!

    By Rockin Rick on Oct 31, 2013

  94. knob head ? i haven`t been called that since this mornin`.

    By gee ho shes phat on Oct 31, 2013

  95. Your son shouldn’t use language like that when talking to his dad….but then again you two have always been very close, well until the police warned you about thank kind of “closeness”! I also Notice you still didn’t share you musical tastes ya cunt , but never mind, troll away, if you leave now you can make it to twitter by lunch!

    By Rockin Rick on Oct 31, 2013

  96. Darth, you know nothing about DM and live recordings…. SOFAD Live is so different than the studio version. Wash your ears, you’re deaf!!!!

    By Fabio on Mar 1, 2014

  97. actually its not true. their live album is identical to their studio album as i said with audience overdubbed on top. im sure if u look hard enough u will find them admitting it somewhere. maybe not. i dont know.
    whether or not i know anything about live recordings is a totally different matter. i know quality music for sure. dm isnt. but how could i convince u of that if youre a fan?
    i remember when the album came out i read 20 reviews before hearing it for myself and finally said i have to hear this for myself just for a laugh. i had taken shots of the band off stage a few times but really couldnt care less about them. i had hoped theyd disappear quietly altho i knew they wouldnt kinda like i knew duran duran wouldnt. what can u do right?
    but regardless.. i dont know if its sofad as u say.. as i wasnt paying that close attention to which one it was. i accepted what someone above here said if thats what they said then ok ill go with that. i just know that they did an album and then a live album that had identical tracks on it and if u listen closely theres no difference. put on headphones. put on the original vinyl. forget the cd. try the cd then. i dont care. maybe they remixed it for the digital release. things will often sound different when theyre remixed for digital releases. certain things are pushed up in the mix and other things are pushed back. i worked in audio and video engineering for a little while and while im not an expert in the field i can sure as hell tell when im being duped. anyone who bought that live album was duped. then again anyone who listens to this band is being duped.

    By darth on Apr 3, 2014

  98. dupe dupe dupe dupe of earl dupe dupe. the duke of dupes.

    “…i can sure as hell tell when im being duped. anyone who bought that live album was duped. then again anyone who listens to this band is being duped.”

    By barth on Apr 3, 2014

  99. ^LOL…yes you listen to Darth & or read hos posts you are being duped !!!

    By Jerry's Finger on Apr 4, 2014

  100. I know I’m coming to this really late, but I thought I’d chime in, Depeche Mode’s Songs of Faith And Devotion Live IS NOT a “faked” live album. I used to work in Turtles and we played both versions to death when they were new. There are differences in the versions of all the songs, not just added crowd noise. They were playing pretty tight and not doing much variation in the songs when played live, and this might be that this was all during the height of Gahan’s drug problems.

    I’m sure there are some faked stuff out there, I happen to remember hearing that Guns N Roses Lies album that was half live supposedly recorded before they got big and half new tracks recorded after Appetite for Destruction was all new stuff, but the crowd noise was added for the not-really-live portion. My boss at the time also told me about some album that he loved to listen to that had added crowd noise because there was a pattern of three particular screams that could be heard all through the album. But for the life of me I can’t remember what album it was.

    By Brian on Jul 11, 2014

  101. u can believe what u want as a fan u are likely to never accept that a band u are a fan of could ever do such a sacriligeous thing as to release a fake live album but when that live album came out there were many reports and reviews of it all over the country by experts with lots of proof on the radio and in other venues that of course are over 20 yrs old now. we have been posting about this with 100 comments on an item here that was originally posted on this page nearly a year ago and still to this day people are still hung up on this. if u really need to believe that this band didnt release a fake live album then fine.. go to your grave with that in your heart. but i know that u know whoever u are out there that u have some doubt that their live album is legitimate. there are all sorts of tricks and doctoring they can do in the studio to make it seems like its not exactly the same studio tracks with overdubbed audience noise so their fans dont feel gyped. a slightly sped up track or added in performances etc. theres a million things they can do. any producer or studio engineers can make a live album out of a studio one. hell look at what they did with janis joplins demo audition tape. there are 100s and 100s of examples of fabrications that have been thrown on the public without the majority of their awareness or knowledge. keep in mind that this is only 1993 we’re talking about here. not the 50s or 60s or 70s or 80s when technology wasnt as good and it would be harder to fool the public. the world out there is easily fooled / tricked and will believe nearly anything. one album to make some fast cash on an unsuspecting batch of eager fans who really dont know much about music cuz if they did they wouldnt be listening to depeche mode in the first place.. seriously.. isnt going to matter that much in the long run. it will fade away and be forgotten in no time. no one even remembers this album cept their most devoted fans anyway.
    u want a real live honest nothing whatsoever doctored in any way at all album?? brothers in arms live dire straits. not one touched note. nothing whatsoever added or removed. it was released exactly as it happened. period. and thats real music. depeche mode is garbage. ok thats an opinion.. granted.. i admit this.
    but im sorry to tell u.. their live album is not real. give it up.

    now.. on another note.. how about some johnny winter from the last few months of his life please?
    how about a black keys show from this tour? youssou n’dour is on tour.. i would really like to find something from this summer in fm or sbd or extremely good audience or tv brdcst converted to audio maybe?
    steve walsh’s last kansas show was this month after 31 yrs. perhaps that show? or a show that was captured in sbd or close quality from the last month or two?

    By darth on Aug 30, 2014

  102. “one album to make some fast cash on an unsuspecting batch of eager fans who really dont know much about music cuz if they did they wouldnt be listening to depeche mode in the first place”.. If you don’t like them darth, why waste so much time and space writing all this. I’m not a huge fan of them either, but I’m also not a huge fan of some or the artists you like either. People have different tastes in music, don’t knock what other people like.

    By nutshell on Aug 30, 2014

  103. Only an uber-troll would reply to a comment that was made six weeks ago in a pathetic attempt to have the last word in an argument he’s already lost several times.

    By Dingus on Aug 30, 2014

  104. nut - it isnt about what i like or dont like. and thats not the point at all. the bands i like for the most part anyway… dont put out fake live albums. and when i bought their live albums i would expect them to be legit. the reason i posted the comments here was for obvious reasons. its not about whether people have diff tastes. cmon now. stop missing the point. and yes i will knock other peoples tastes when they suck. if u like crap ill let u know. if u smoke cigs.. ill tell u that u smell like an ashtray or toilet.. as the case may be.

    dung - im not sure how it happened but it showed up that brians comment was in the recent comments in the top 10 comments so i clicked onto it to see what he said and it happened to be in this comment section from this particular show. i was shocked that it was depeche mode from nearly a year ago. i didnt notice that his comment was from mid july til u pointed it out and i dont understand how it would have shown up in the top 10 comments from the most recent comments either. but it did. i wouldnt have seen it any other way. nor does it really matter how long ago his comment was really. why is that important? is there a time limit on how fast a response has to be? ive seen comments made in response to others a year or more afterwards. but i didnt even look at when his comment was posted as i said. still dont know how it showed up tho. that is a head scratcher. i only happen upon the most them when theyre in the top right corner of the page u are looking at right now.

    By darth on Aug 31, 2014

  105. Again, darth or spam: Which is worse?

    By Willis on Jan 26, 2015

  106. what youre doing is worse. yet knowing what is worse doesnt stop u from doing it.. does it? no. didnt think so.

    By darth on Jan 26, 2015

  107. waaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaah waaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaah…!!!

    glen quit your crying now…god you’re a child…you bring all of this on yourself…
    again you want to blame everyone else for your stupidity & lies…

    By Jerry's Finger on Jan 26, 2015

  108. It’s only fitting that darth’s first post since being proven very wrong is on another thread where he was proven to be very wrong.

    By Dingus on Jan 26, 2015

  109. It’s only fitting that darth’s first post since being proven very wrong is on another thread where he was proven to be very wrong.

    so bang on. He is avoiding the jimi/winter thread now that he has been revealed as a no nothing bore.

    By gold medal on Jan 26, 2015

  110. what youre doing is worse. yet knowing what is worse doesnt stop u from doing it.. does it? no. didnt think so.

    By darth on Jan 26, 2015

    what a maroon.

    By gold medal on Jan 26, 2015

  111. its not that im crying. its that a question was posed. i answered it. im not blaming anyone for what u deem ‘my stupidity and lies’. it isnt mine that im referring to here. if i was blaming anyone for anything.. it certainly wouldnt be ‘my’ stupidity or lies. that wouldnt even make sense. does it make sense to u?

    i didnt avoid the thread i just didnt see that continuing on it would get anywhere. i already said more than once that johnny himself stated what i said. links notwithstanding he did say so. hes not here anymore to repeat it. but he did repeat it several times. rick confirmed it as well. whether or not i said that i meant live in front of other people in an audience setting etc or not isnt important. i thought that was understood. since it didnt appear to be.. i re-expressed it more clearly. i was referring to live performance. not studio jam sessions. im sure they did jam together in the studio but that isnt the topic.

    dont use ‘no’ when u mean ‘know’ please. thats just stupid.
    and dont act like bugs bunny either.

    By darth on Jan 27, 2015

  112. wow darth all that pontificating when all you really meant to say was “I was wrong”

    By gold medal on Jan 27, 2015

  113. >>>>”dont use ‘no’ when u mean ‘know’ please. thats just stupid.”

    yeah I agree glen…just like when you use “u”
    ad nauseam that is so stupid you retard…!!!

    gm is correct…”I was wrong” can go along way in your life glen…to bad that phrase isn’t in your vocabulary your LOSER LIFE…!!!!

    to bad for us as well you brat child…

    By Jerry's Finger on Jan 27, 2015

  114. and dont act like bugs bunny either.–Ly7pL8aw

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