TEN YEARS AFTER - FRANKFURT 1972

June 13, 2015 – 2:36 pm

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TEN YEARS AFTER
Frankfurt 1972 [no label, 1CD]

Live at the Festhalle, Frankfurt, West Germany; April 1, 1972. Fairly to very good audience recording.

Thanks to the late Bernhard Zipp who recorded the show; and to vortex242 for sharing it at The Traders’ Den.

vortex242 wrote:

In 1972 my late friend Bernhard recorded TYA at the Festhalle in Frankfurt. He praised the recording every time we discussed TYA. He left our world last April and it seems that I’m now the curator of the BZ archive he left in my posession when he left Berlin some years ago…

So here’s BZA-0001 (BZ-Archive), that BZ master tape, which sounds stunning for a ‘72 recording. Unfortunately, it’s not complete, missing the last three songs. I have no idea if he made a complete recording, the tape does not indicate a part two. So this is what we have. I rate this B+ or A-. At times you can hear some speed changes, but these are not distracting from the great sound… If only there were some Who shows from 1972 that would sound that good…

‘The Hobbit’ was introduced as ‘Frankfurt Express’, thus the title modification. The ‘Recorded Live’ album was not recorded on that show, that was done in January 1973.

Hey Bernhard, this is for you!! Keep it Rockin’ in Heaven!

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Lineage:
Portable Philips Cassette Recorder with built-in Mic > Agfa MaC
transfer, mastering: MaC >Tascam 130 > Edirol R-09HR [24/96]
USB > Adobe Audition CC [mastering, tracking, flac, 16/44.1]

Click on the highlighted tracks to download the MP3s (224 kbps). As far as we can ascertain, these tracks have never been officially released on CD.

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Track 01. Intro 1:18 (2.2MB)
Track 02. One Of These Days 5:34 (9.3MB)
Track 03. Once There Was A Time 3:39 (6.1MB)
Track 04. Standing At The Station 14:35 (24.5MB)
Track 05. Good Morning Little Schoolgirl 7:32 (12.6MB)
Track 06. Hobbit (Frankfurt Express) 10:54 (18.3MB)
Track 07. Slow Blues In C 9:21 (15.7MB)
Track 08. You Give Me Loving 8:29 (14.3MB)
Track 09. Guitar Thing 0:52 (1.5MB)
Track 10. Classical Thing 0:42 (1.2MB)
Track 11. Scat Thing 1:11 (2.0MB)
Track 12. I Can’t Keep From Crying Sometimes 16:27 (27.6MB)
13. I’m Going Home *
14. Sweet Little Sixteen *
15. Baby Won’t You Let Me Roc k’n’ Roll You *
81 mins

* Not recorded?
Overburn to fit all the tracks onto one audio CD.

Lineup:
Alvin Lee - guitar, vocals
Leo Lyons - bass
Ric Lee - drums
Chick Churchill - keyboards

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  1. 52 Responses to “TEN YEARS AFTER - FRANKFURT 1972”

  2. This looks nice.. Thanks BigO!

    By Tom on Jun 13, 2015

  3. RIP Alvin Lee I saw him at Woodstock, great one.

    By Ron on Jun 13, 2015

  4. Thanks, Big O. What a great band.

    By Eric (The Other Eric) on Jun 13, 2015

  5. the reason the last few songs werent recorded is that a cassette recorder was used and he flipped the tape after the 6th song. leaving a short space on side a. there was no time to rewind side b and save room so he just started recording immediately when he flipped the tape thereby eliminating all that blank space on side a and b. in this case adding up to 9 mins. so he only got 81mins of music. had he brought a 2nd blank with him he could have gotten more music of course. he probably didnt think that far ahead. many ppl who recorded shows figured who needs more than 90mins of them? and back in 72 blank tapes werent very cheap either.

    By darth on Jun 13, 2015

  6. btw.. of all the material that has survived from woodstock.. theres 85% of the performances that have actually been performed there of the 31 artists / bands over the 3 days+. some full sets from the various sources all combined and if one collects it all it will fit onto 22 cds. but only one single song from tya has survived from their set and that one is on the album / movie. they did a full set. how sad. not even one single song other than the one we all know.

    By darth on Jun 13, 2015

  7. the reason the last few songs werent recorded is…

    apparently darth was there as well.

    By a dingus says darth on Jun 13, 2015

  8. according to what might be the official woodstock 1969 web site:

    “The British band Ten Years After hit the stage on Sunday, August 17th at about 8.15 pm. They were known for heavy blues rock, and long guitar and drum solos. But what could have been a world-shaking performance failed due to technical reasons: the high humidity caused the instruments to go out of tune, the sound recording partially failed, and the camera team was just able to film the last song, “I’m Going Home”, an intense performance which was one of the highlights of Woodstock.”

    http://woodstock.com/lineup/

    By barth on Jun 14, 2015

  9. “the reason the last few songs werent recorded is…”

    glen I guess you yourself were next with mr zipp huh…? that is just speculation on your part clown boy…

    you don’t know why the last of the show is missing…

    1. maybe the taper got busted…?
    2. maybe the taper mistakenly hit pause/stop while installing another cassette…?
    3. maybe it did get recorded & the 2nd tape got lost, stolen or just accidentally erased recorded over.
    4. maybe the batteries ran out went dead between the flip…?

    5. one thing is for sure YOU POSITIVELY DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED FART BRAIN CON BOY…

    By Jerry's Finger on Jun 14, 2015

  10. darth, you and your silly imagination never cease to be amusing.

    By Willis on Jun 14, 2015

  11. none of those things could have happened. and what i said happened actually did happen.
    if he got busted we wouldnt have the 81 mins we do have.
    it makes no sense to suggest he hit pause. thats just ridiculous.
    theres no reason to imagine that those things happened to the 2nd tape. theres nothing to suggest it. common sense says that the most obvious thing that did happen is as i said it did. time out the lengths of the songs and ull see it makes sense.
    if batteries went dead between flip we wouldnt have the 2nd half of the tape. when ppl recorded shows batteries lasted at least the length of a show. people didnt bring used batteries with them to record concerts. that just makes no sense whatsoever. again what youre suggesting is just random speculation. what i said is logically sound and is common sense. havent u ever recorded a show yourself?

    as for woodstock..
    the sound recording partially failing doesnt explain why the entire set minus one song.. has survived. i am not talking about the film of the rest of the set. and again there were other acts where this was true about as well. there were problems with the recordings and films of other artists on the bill out of those 31 acts. yet we have 85% of all the music that happened that weekend. granted that still leaves 15% that we dont have from all the sources that we have been able to get it from. but not one single note other than im going home has survived. even if a flawed tape. the show was totally recorded. nothing has leaked out. not one note. yet 22 cds worth of that weekend has. just sayin. hmmmm

    By darth on Jun 14, 2015

  12. willis .. your stupid bandwagon jumping never ceases to amaze me.

    By darth on Jun 14, 2015

  13. entire set minus one song ‘hasnt’ survived <<meant to say

    By darth on Jun 14, 2015

  14. you’re ignored…glen you can’t say 100% what happened asshole clown…!!!

    By Jerry's Finger on Jun 14, 2015

  15. u cant claim someone is ignored if u are commenting on things they say and responding to every fucking word they post u ignoramus!!!!

    By darth on Jun 14, 2015

  16. ignored you ass wipe…!!!

    By Jerry's Finger on Jun 14, 2015

  17. “as for woodstock”
    …sigh…

    “the sound recording partially failing doesnt explain why…”
    yes it does.

    “we have 85% of all the music that happened that weekend”
    that’s a great percentage from an outdoor concert that had several delays for rainstorms and electrical problems. the brown acid was bad too.

    “nothing has leaked out. not one note.”
    because there is nothing to leak out. end of story.

    By barth on Jun 15, 2015

  18. Not to violate the sacred spirit of Sunday morning Darth-stabbing, but 10YA is kind of a guilty pleasure for me. Fun in small doses, taken infrequently. Woodstock just floored me, tho it may have been the filmmaking as much as the performance. Came to think of them as pretty much a one-trick boogie band. Still, “Space In Time” is a good listen on occasion. But the album that really shows them at their pre-rock bonehead boogie best is the early “Undead”, a really intimate jazz-based live workout featuring a full side of “Woodchopper’s Ball”. Yowza!

    By Happy Camper on Jun 15, 2015

  19. HC- i liked their hits but never bought anything until a few years ago i got the vinyl of “ssssh” and “watt” at a flea market for $1. i was not very impressed. ill keep an eye open for “undead”.

    By barth on Jun 15, 2015

  20. With one of my first jobs I bought Shhh,Taste,AbbeyRoad and John Mayall`s Looking Back the same day and loved them all and they still hold a special spot in my vinyl collection but It`s Ten Year`s After`s Undead that really knocks me out especially the extended cd version that came out a few years ago. I used to wonder how tired Alvin Lee would get of performing ” I`m goin` Home” .watching the woodstock version the way it was filmed and recorded you never new there was a bass and keyoboards.

    By sluggo on Jun 15, 2015

  21. barth,

    “Cricklewood Green” is a personal TYA fave of mine. Well worth checking out.

    By mackdaddyg on Jun 15, 2015

  22. As for the Woodstock performance, that one song is all that’s in circulation but according to the liner notes of the 6 CD Rhino boxset from 2009 “Though we were able to locate, assemble and reconstruct about 99% of the music” that implies that the TYA set DOES exist and on that boxset, “licensing restrictions” meant that no TYA material was featured. I have read that only the one song was filmed but from those sleevenotes, I think it’s fair to guess that most of TYA’s set WAS recorded but has never been used. It’s possible there were technical issues with the recording, goodness knows but if these guys who had access to all the multitrack tapes say that 99% of the music was recorded, then I think it’s fair to imply more than just the one song was captured.

    That was a fine boxset actually - the compilers admitted the intention was to put out the whole lot on 30 CD’s, but “logistical realities” dictated they pruned it down to 6 CD’s containing nearly 8 hours instead.

    By Bruce Skywater on Jun 15, 2015

  23. thees peepil dont no that your a kung foo mastar do they darth?
    you shood kik there buts!
    LAMO!

    By darth farting on Jun 15, 2015

  24. Sluggo: quite a score on that used music trip! I wore out 8-trk tapes of Shhhh and Watt back when too much wasn’t enough. Pretty sure my old vinyl of Cricklewood is floating around somewhere. Should dig it out for a revisit. Thanx for the tip about the extended “Undead” CD, didn’t know. Will check it out. And you’re saying there was someone else on the stage with Alvin Lee at Woodstock? :)

    By Happy Camper on Jun 15, 2015

  25. thx bruce. rhino is a very credible source, their reissues are always first rate. theyre also the label of fred blassie, the temple city kazoo orchestra, and gefilte joe & the fish.

    according to woodstock wiki:
    “Because of the high humidity they had problems with their instruments (especially the guitars) which went quickly out of tune. That led to some unplanned interruptions for re-tuning”.

    “Ten Years After weren’t the only ones plagued by equipment failures. There were also problems with the sound recording during their set. The pick-up of the drums failed so Larry Bunker, a studio per­cussionist, had to overdub them in the studio and sync them to the movie. Original drummer Ric Lee was not available for the studio recording. It is a common misbelief that Corky Laing, drummer of Mountain (but not during the Woodstock festival), did the overdubs. This is not correct as he also states this in interviews”.

    the plot thickens:
    Rhino Vice-President of A&R Cheryl Pawelski said when their box set was released in 2009:
    “One performance is conspicuously absent; Pawelski says Ten Years After would not clear the use of its performance for the box, meaning the group’s epic version of “Goin’ Home” will not be included. The Band and Keef Hartley were the only other acts that opted out of the set.”

    http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/268452/woodstock-box-set-unearths-famous-festivals-rarities

    this might also explain why we see very little of the drummer during the woodstock movie- it would have been very difficult to match the overdubbed licks to the film images.

    if u watch tya’s woodstock performance on youtube- “Woodstock - Ten Years After - I’m Going Home(Live)”- it starts with alvin tuning his guitar, then he says “thats near enough for jazz”. pretty funny when u know the details!

    one can only speculate as to why tya would not want to be on the 2009 box set since no one gave specific reasons. i doubt that they would want anyone to hear them out of tune. perhaps they were purists and didnt want their songs to be overdubbed even though “im going home” was dubbed at the time and it was their breakthrough song. perhaps their performance before “i g h” wasnt all that good what with the interruptions.

    guess ill be looking for undead extended and cricklewood green. thx ppl.

    btw- i saw ”woodstock” in a drive-in theater. it was on a triple bill with “the wild bunch” and “two-lane blacktop” starring james taylor and dennis wilson. i most highly recommend all three.

    By barth on Jun 15, 2015

  26. alvin lee on ten years after at woodstock:

    “I understand you had technical problems, but when it came to “I’m Going Home,” everything sort of fell in place and they were able to film the performance.”

    “That’s right. We just went right on after the rain storm. There was a lot of humidity in the air and all the guitars went madly out of tune and we actually had to stop. The song was “Good Mornin’ Little School Girl” and I had to stop it and say, “Sorry…excuse me…I want to get us in tune here.” At that point, it was looking like a disaster. But as you see from the movie, we manage to get back on course.”

    http://www.vintagerock.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1392:the-alvin-lee-interview-2012&catid=3:interviews&Itemid=4

    By barth on Jun 15, 2015

  27. For Your information check out sugarmegs.org they have some of the Woodstock Outtakes Check it out…

    By Ron on Jun 15, 2015

  28. ron - but they dont have any tya performances. i have 22 cds of woodstock. as i said 85% of all that happened. every single thing thats available. and i dont care about the video or film footage at all. much of what is available audio wise was taken from video or film footage but im only interested in audio. and yes 100% of tya’s set was recorded despite what some here believe or have read or think they see on sites that if i use they claim are untrustworthy but if they use theyre absolutely the best source for info. funny how that works huh?
    some of the material that has surfaced has of course come from under the table snuck out thru the backdoor type means but my point was that none of tya’s set has made it out at all. i dont care if its out of tune or imperfect. again this isnt the topic or the point. a lot of the music at the event wasnt that great. hell the dead said it was one of their worst shows ever. many fans agree. it wasnt the best of conditions for many of the performers of course. but again we’re not talking about what is commercially available or what was meant for public consumption after 45 yrs. obviously they didnt put out 22 cds worth of woodstock perfs. my point is.. and i dont know why some of these morons dont get it and they try to twist around the entire topic.. but the performance was recorded. it isnt released in any form. including bootleg. it could be. it isnt. wake up and get past trying to prove me wrong on things that im not wrong on.

    By darth on Jun 15, 2015

  29. I don.t think Ron is trying to prove you wrong, just pointing out to the community the availability of further Woodstock material.

    By Je Suis Darth on Jun 15, 2015

  30. @barth - thank you for all the extra information. The Rhino set went all out for 100% authenticity… I didn’t know that the TYA performance had been overdubbed so that would definitely explain why they said no to appearing on that set since it would had been the raw recording and likely would had paled against the version we all know. Thanks also to Ron for his pointers.

    Zero thanks to Darth. Barth and Ron (to name just two) have just engaged in a nice piece of community spirit… we were discussing TYA’s Woodstock performance to determine if it was recorded or not and why nothing else is available from it. It was an informative and useful exchange of information. So what do you do Darth? You come charging in with guns blazing sulking and accusing us of trying to prove you wrong and you go for the lowest denominator by calling us “morons” - well Darth, it takes one to know one doesn’t it?

    By Bruce Skywater on Jun 15, 2015

  31. good point bruce! i didn’t think that if rhino used the original tapes they would have to re-dub the drums.

    ron- thx for the tip!

    darth- as usual u added nothing to a great discussion except insults. if u are so obsessed with the tya woodstock tapes contact rhino and/or co-producers Andy Zax and Mason Williams and ask them about it. thats the only way u will get the definitive answer. maybe u can wheedle a copy out of them so u can add it to your allegedly massive collection of music u will never listen to but only brag about.

    how did alvin lee get the watermelon at the end of their woodstock set? scroll down the page for this story. http://www.alvinlee.de/1969_3.htm

    By barth on Jun 15, 2015

  32. Great links Barth! Always wondered about that watermelon… the way he hoisted it like a trophy. “If I get electrocuted at Woodstock, we’ll lots of records”? HA!

    Well, Alvin certainly did deliver that night, nothing can diminish that. And as I suspected… there WERE other musicians on stage with him!

    By Happy Camper on Jun 15, 2015

  33. First time I ever heard the song “I Can`t Keep From Crying” was 1966 or so, The Blues Project with Al Kooper. Love the song and I really enjoy the treatment here, now ,wondering who actually wrote it, I can find that Al Kooper arranged it for their album but again I wonder who actually wrote this and if it had been recorded prior to the Blues Project.

    By sluggo on Jun 17, 2015

  34. hope this helps sluggo
    I Can’t Keep From Cryin’ Sometimes. Alvin Lee’s version of the Al Kooper compostion.
    alvinlee.com/tablature/cantkeep.htm cant find any other versions other than al koopers but im sure you know that all ready im just getting in before the village idiot turns in his twenty page report, cheers

    By bronze medal on Jun 17, 2015

  35. Blind Willie Johnson 1928..this could be it..Kooper may have heard this and rearranged it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY2E-555VZc

    By sluggo on Jun 17, 2015

  36. i didnt say ron was trying to prove me wrong. and i know what sugarmeg has. 7 yrs ago i got their entire collection which at that time was 35000 items. now its over 85000. so everything they had at that time.. which included all the woodstock stuff they have now then too. but i had the 22 cds in far higher quality that i have mentioned. i wasnt accusing him of trying to prove me wrong. i was just responding to him.
    bruce - i didnt come in with any guns blazing and i dont call everyone an idiot or moron. its obvious who is and who isnt. and i dont blaze my guns first. try not to be so selective in what u see please. thanks.
    i also didnt sulk or say anyone tried to prove me wrong where that didnt happen. if u look carefully u will see that in fact does and did happen. i am not sure why u see what u want to see and dont see what actually is happening but i cant force that horse to drink as the saying goes.
    why would it take one to know one btw?? i never got that rationale. do u? if u go to a psych do u think that if they recognize that u have mental illness that they have to be mentally ill too? does this make sense to u? really?? (shrug)

    u people (and i use the term loosely) dont know what i listen to or how i spend my time. stop saying stupid things. seriously.
    having a large collection and not being able to listen to it all in my lifetime doesnt matter. the good thing about it is that if at any time i wish to hear something i have i can. i enjoy collecting the music. i have things i wont listen to more than once or twice but i dont feel the desire or need to delete it just because u think i shouldnt save things that i may never hear again. how do i know i wont want to hear it again? what if i meet someone and they are looking thru my collection and they say id love to have a copy of that. id be able to burn them a copy or put a copy on a flash drive or something. i often send stuff to people thru email or ims. im constantly sharing stuff with others. in fact nearly every single day i offer stuff to others. sometimes its only a link from a place they can dl it themselves without me having to upload it thereby saving myself time and bandwidth etc. but if its hard to do the locating thing then ill upload it to them. what i do is really none of your business and frankly i dont know why the fuck u care. who the hell gives a shit what other people do with their collections of music??? omg!!! what the fuck is wrong with u idiots? and u dont understand why i call u people idiots. really!!!???
    and i dont brag about my collection. i sometimes mention what i have in conversation or in passing because its part of the topic and theres reason to. but im sure u all have reasonably huge collections too. u can frequent 3-5 sites not unlike this one and dl 1-3 items a day and have over 1000 items a year. do that for 10 years and youll have well over 10000 items. thats not a paltry collection. do it for 20 and omg. thats a hell of a collection. and if u collected before u got online u probably have music u collected in the 60s and 70s and 80s. and if u buy music in person.. thats even more. so dont harass me about my collection. my current collection that exists on drives and burned cds where i live is 100% since 2004. thats 11 years. and seriously.. if u cant compete ..not that u should have to mind u.. cuz why the hell are u trying to compete in the first place.. it isnt a race.. with someone who has only been compiling a collection for 11 yrs by dl’ing then its not me that has a problem here. its u.
    i enjoy my music.. i do what i like. i dont dl everything. im very very picky. i skip 30-40% of things offered here. i never dl jazz or pop. i never dl classical or metal. and if the quality isnt at least an 8 or in very rare cases a 7 i wont bother with it.

    By darth on Jun 17, 2015

  37. wake me when its over……………

    By barth on Jun 17, 2015

  38. “wake up and get past trying to prove me wrong on things that im not wrong on.”

    And in my best Foghorn Leghorn voice

    WOAH ! Who said that I say,I say, WHO SAID DAT BOY ???
    Hold on one cotton pickin’ minute there Did I just quote someone I said, DID I JUST QUOTE SOMEONE ?

    By Je Suis Darth on Jun 17, 2015

  39. “Nice boy, but he’s got more nerve than a bum tooth.”

    By mackdaddyg on Jun 17, 2015

  40. jeeze glen…good god…

    even you say you don’t care…

    but you really do with that diatribe…

    get your fucking shit together dude…!

    By Jerry's Finger on Jun 17, 2015

  41. “darth” has some problems. That should be obvious. He craves attention and the sad thing is that he appears to prefer negative attention to none. A good rule for discourse is to make sure what you say is truthful, helpful, and kind. Clearly, some of Mr. “darth’s” stories don’t qualify for the former, and his various T.V. listings etc. are not the second, and his insults are obviously not the third. However, responding to him in the same manner really isn’t helpful or kind, either. I would recommend giving Mr. “darth” constructive criticism for all of the above, but balancing that with praise when he posts information that is truthful, helpful, and kind. Then, maybe he can learn and actually make friends in this little virtual community instead of always stirring up trouble.

    By darthsfriend on Jun 17, 2015

  42. “who the hell gives a shit what other people do with their collections of music??? omg!!! what the fuck is wrong with u idiots?” written by darth, above.

    it looks like u do darth. read on-

    “a question if you have a mp3 file thats a concert is their a simple way to turn it into numbered tracks our put gaps between the tracks thanks”
    written by bronze medal, yesterday, here: http://bigozine2.com/roio/?p=2371

    “why would u want to interrupt a flowing concert and put gaps between songs of a concert??
    i mean if an mp3 file was longer than say 80mins and u wanted to cut it in 2 parts so u could burn it to 2 cds thats a different story. but to break it apart and put gaps in a concert?? thats just goofy.”
    written by darth, replying to bronze medal.

    what the fuck is wrong with u darth? why do u give a shit what another person does with their collection of music? idiot.

    By barth on Jun 17, 2015

  43. what the fuck is wrong with u darth? why do u give a shit what another person does with their collection of music? idiot.

    B-I-N-G-O !

    By dropkick sarge on Jun 17, 2015

  44. darth,
    i’m sick and tired of you using that blanket statement “u people”.
    you are obvisiouly a racist.
    if i ever get my hands on you
    i will come down off this mountain and take care of you.

    By Moses on Jun 17, 2015

  45. tablets upside the noggin by moses!

    By dropkick sarge on Jun 18, 2015

  46. he brought up the question. i didnt bring up what i do with my collection to others here. the 2 subjects are not related. u idiots are obsessed with me and my recordings. claiming i dont listen to them that i just hoard them. so i asked what the hell do u care what i do with my collection? he brought up the topic of his mp3s and asked a question specifically about it. i dont care what he does with his music. i didnt tell him what to do with it til he introduced it and asked what he should do with it. i didnt do that. so u cant relate one to the other. it makes no sense.. theres no bingo there. what the hell man?!?!?!?! cmon!!!

    theres no reason to assume that ‘u people’ is racist. thats just ridiculous. it doesnt specify any particular race or creed or group of people based on a segregated population separated by color religion or other distinguishing characteristic. instead the term is used to specify all those who fall into the category by default simply because of their actions / words. dont be stupid.

    By darth on Jun 18, 2015

  47. nice try fake darth but u need to work on your hostile blathering.

    By barth on Jun 18, 2015

  48. what??

    By darth on Jun 18, 2015

  49. darth has found a new site to disrupt. Please go to Brooklyn Steve’s site http://stevenegin56.blogspot.com/ or his cbox. darth has totally ruined the cbox there. Please help.

    By concerned citizen on Jun 20, 2015

  50. Help!?
    Surely you jest.
    There is no helping Darth until he realizes that problems follow him wherever he goes and it just might have something to do with him rather than the rest of the blogosphere world.
    The only help that could be given him is to NOT RESPOND to his madness…
    Ignore him.
    BTW… Did I say - don’t respond to his posts?
    OK then.
    ’nuff said.

    By boredcitizen on Jun 22, 2015

  51. so let me understand this.
    this post u are making is your effort to not respond and to ignore me. to make no comments about or to me. to give me no attention. i see. so this posting u made above and likely the one above that and the other ones u have been placing variously around here are your attempts to not respond and ignore me.
    good job.
    are u sure that your id shouldnt be stupid citizen?

    By darth on Jun 22, 2015

  52. This kind of bickering is pointless.
    Why don’t you guys just quit?

    By greasy darth on Jun 22, 2015

  53. I wonder why darth doesn’t decide to “pontificate” at Exystence?
    Oh right…Because they would shut his bullshit down faster than than a swingers club in a Catholic grade school.

    By Slimebag dart on Jun 22, 2015

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